Litmus test

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Hey guys,
Was hoping to get a little community feedback and thoughts, if nothing else to help me make up my own mind!

Black Friday weekend typically tends to have some of the best tech deals of the year, so I've been waiting a number of months to do a fresh PC for one of our rooms which is generally an all purpose gamer/media rig, and essentially have a 3070 and 32GB of DDR4 3600C16 waiting to go in it already, but I am a little torn on the exact route to go down, as there seem to be more potentially valid choices now than there have been for a long time. I sold off some bits recently so essentially have about £450-500 waiting as funds to go towards this already; ideally I'd like to not stray too far from this.

Options are:
1) Build something lower midrange as per original plan, that just won't bottleneck the 3070.
2) Put my current gaming machine there (10700k/32GB 3200/500GB SSD), transplant the 3070 to this rig, and pull the current 3080 out to go with the 32GB DDR4 3600, and build a mid-high rig for myself.


If I go for Option 1
A) Go for AMDs last gen AM4, so might get a decent deal on old gen stock, it'll still be fast and much more up to date than what came before, but would be slowest option CPU wise, and slightly more outdated. Would probably go with a 5600, unless I saw a really good deal on a faster chip, but reckon I'd be able to get a 5600/B550/Case/PSU/SSD for roughly the money I have fairly easily.
B) Build something on Intel's current motherboard socket (it has 2 generations of CPUs, the one out now, and one due out soon) but will then be end of line, supports a few slightly newer features than AM4, and at least compared to a 5600/5600X, anything 12400 up will be as fast or faster, and I'll have the option of dropping a 13th gen in later. Will cost a bit more than A, but I don't think I'd go wrong with a 12400 or 12600K (albeit I'm leaning towards the 12400).


If I got for Option 2
A/B - still valid options although I'd perhaps go for a higher end CPU on the platforms if it was to be my primary machine.
C) Go with AMDs' MUCH more expensive AM5 socket.


I am NOT intending to buy a new GPU; the 3070 and 3080 I already have are fine for me right now; it's more a question on the overall platform; I don't think I can go wrong with any of the options which is nice, but I must admit AM5 seems to be the weakest link/puts itself out of the range of what I want to spend at current pricing; it theoretically should see new CPU releases for 3+ years, but costs considerably more so the whole build would cost a LOT more AND require me to sell off/replace my DDR4; the machine would theoretically be with us for considerably longer this route though; and I can't help but feel unless there are some REALLY good deals because stock isn't moving, that option A/B just make more sense, even for a mid-high end gaming build.

Depending on the Black Friday weekend deals that come up, what would you do?
 
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wait for B650 board prices before you make your choice. 32gb 5200 ddr5 can be had for £149.99 now(OCuk £199.99 for same stuff so shop around), so not that much of a difference to ddr4 pricing..a 7600x(£325.99) cpu is cheaper than a 5800x3d(£449.99) for same gaming perfomance (and 7600x will beat it in productivity)so make £100 back there, and you've got a platform you can drop a new cpu in 3 yrs down the line which would hopefully blow current 5800x3d and 7600x out the water.
if want to save cash now though, I'd prob lean intel with 12400 as 12700k a much better all round cpu than the 5800x3d, so guessing a 13700k s/b better still(one would hope) to drop in a few years from now if you so wish....but you'll prob be dribbling over a 9600x3d by then (well i prob would:cry:)
 
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Thing is, I already HAVE the RAM, so my first inclination is to stick to something I can use the current kit I have, especially as DDR5, whilst dropping, is still inflated.
 
All of your reasoning is solid. It is very unusual to have a multitude of options when it comes to building a PC.

If in your position I would not be looking to build a comparative PC to your current one and would put your current PC in there and then look to build an AM5 system when the B650 mobos are available. Rumours of poor sales for Ryzen so there may be some price cuts soon so keep eyes open around Black Friday.
 
Thing is, I already HAVE the RAM, so my first inclination is to stick to something I can use the current kit I have, especially as DDR5, whilst dropping, is still inflated.
ah, then 2C out then unless you sell the ram
if am4 I wouldn't go 5800X3d...at £450 i'd look at new gen really, which isn't what you intend to do. the cash saved goes towards mobo and psu

Seen asus Tuf gaming b550 plus wifi on offer down to £149.99
AMD 5600 £169.98 same place as above
5600X £208 diff place..in gaming think it was about 3% diff to 5600

PSU whether amd or intel, seen below(all good with 10 yrs warranty)
MSI MPG A750GF 750W £88.49
Corsair RM750X £102.19
Corsair RM850 £110.47
Phanteks AMP 850W £114.95 (on OCuk)

it's for a 3070, but guess you could get a 1000W psu and use with the 3080 you have and take that for 3070..then you have a psu which will cater for a 4090 level card in fututre...if not bothered about new psu socket(ATX3.0 is it..sorry, forgotton off top my head), seen the EVGA 1000W P6 titanium on offer for £139.99 (p vervion is their best line from what I read, above g versions..need to double check that)


Storage
Gen 4 below all fast and not that much more than gen 3 now, and you can take it to your next build
Crucial P5P 1tb £98...
Samsung 980 Pro £140 with £40 cashback promo so down to £100(ends 26th Oct)..£80 cashback on 2tb model...check which vendors participating as OCuk aren't on list, but you could ask them
gen 3 storage would be something like WD SN570 1tv for £74.99 on OCuk

Case, personal choice here, just one wiith good airflow

sorry, got really busy at work so stopped halfway through
if going intel,
12400 you can get for £200, if OCuk it's the 12400F at that price
fro £150 the MSI Pro B660M-A wifi on OCuk (but isn't full size ATX)
OCuk also do an oem version of the 12600k for £259.99 (but on preorder) as alternative
 
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