LIVE! via crossover to PC

Arsey · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:19

My friend is trying to get his Xbox 360 online and I can't seem to help him any further, this is his setup.

Xbox 360 - PC(via crossover cable)
PC - Broadband(via wireless router)

In his Network Settings, there are 2 options under LAN or High-Speed Internet, these are: Local Area Connection and Wireless Network Connection 2.

The Local Area Connection is not normally on, but if he enables it then it says something like "No or little packets could be sent or recieved" with the exclamation mark in the yellow triangle. If he right clicks on Local Area Connection-properties-Advanced, then he can let another thing share the internet but then his PC gets disconnected from the Internet if he clicks "share this internet connection".

The Wireless Network Connection 2 is normally connected, but if he right clicks-properties-advanced there is not even an advanced tab.

I would really appreciate it if somebody could help work this problem out.
Thanks.

gord · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:24

There should be an advanced tab under wireless connection properties. This is where you need to click share this internet connection and select the other LAN you have.

That LAN should be set up with an IP of 192.168.0.1 with a subnet of 255.255.255.0

His xbox needs an IP of 192.168.0.2 with the same subnet but also the gateway which will be your wireless networks IP, which might be 192.168.1.1 and the same for DNS i believe.

If there is no tab under your wireless connection i dont know how you will share it.

Arsey · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:27

If the 360 is connecting to the PC, which is connected to the internet, will the PC and 360 get the same IP or will they still get given a different IP?

$c8t@ · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:28

Personally I'd just buy a wireless adapter for the Xbox and save all the hassle

Or

plug the xbox into the router.

Arsey · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:30

$c8t@ said:
Personally I'd just buy a wireless adapter for the Xbox and save all the hassle

Or

plug the xbox into the router.

ok thanks

$c8t@ · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:32

sorry i didnt mean to offend but i cant see the point of messing about with ICS (which isnt thee best setup by anymeans) for the sake of a £65 adapter

however

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/support/connecttolive/xbox360/connectionmethods/windowsics.htm

that might help you a bit

ps no they wont have the same ip,

Arsey · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:37

That website says that to use ICS you have to have one of two scenarios:

"You need to use a Windows ICS connection (rather than a router or gateway connection) to access Xbox Live in either of these scenarios instead of a traditional Ethernet connection to a stand-alone router, gateway, or modem:

1. You're using a USB connection to a stand-alone modem for your cable or DSL high-speed Internet access.
2. You're using your PC's internal modem for your cable or DSL high-speed Internet access."

He is using wireless though so does this mean he cant set up ICS?

gjrc · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:41

hang on dont wireless routers have ports to connect directly to them? i dont understand why you cant do that. the resons you have posted surely dont apply??

Arsey · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:41

gjrc said:
hang on dont wireless routers have ports to connect directly to them? i dont understand why you cant do that. the resons you have posted surely dont apply??

Xbox 360 is upstairs, wireless router is downstairs, so it would involve trailing a 30 metre cable through the house.

The thing is that it can work this way and should work this way..

I got this off the microsoft site

"If your console is connected to an ad-hoc network (in which devices are connected directly to each other), it will probably not pass this test. If your IP address is assigned automatically and your ad-hoc network does not include a DHCP server, this does not indicate a problem. The test is properly reporting that a DHCP server could not be contacted. Xbox Customer Support does not support the use of ad-hoc networking to connect to Xbox Live.

If you're using an ad-hoc network without a DHCP server and you can't connect to Xbox Live, check a different diagnostic test for the root of your problem."

Is he using an ad-hoc network and is this DHCP malark something to do with it?

$c8t@ · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:43

gjrc said:
hang on dont wireless routers have ports to connect directly to them? i dont understand why you cant do that. the resons you have posted surely dont apply??

most of them have a 4 port switch as standard yes but how he's drawn the picture i assume his router is downstairs and the pc is connected wirelessly upstairs and the xbox 360 isnt to far from the pc. if he wanted to use that then he could run a 20m cable across the house.

EDIT: i was correct

neverender · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:46

Right click on the wireless connection in Network Properties, go Advanced and enable ICS. Put some crossover between the 360 and the PC and all should be well.
That's the way I have my 360 connected to Live anyway, and it works fine, though I use ICS on a wired line from our router and not wireless. Shouldn't make a difference though, bar wi-fi signals dropping and losing connection when online.

$c8t@ · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:47

Arsey said:
Xbox 360 is upstairs, wireless router is downstairs, so it would involve trailing a 30 metre cable through the house.

The thing is that it can work this way and should work this way..

I got this off the microsoft site

"If your console is connected to an ad-hoc network (in which devices are connected directly to each other), it will probably not pass this test. If your IP address is assigned automatically and your ad-hoc network does not include a DHCP server, this does not indicate a problem. The test is properly reporting that a DHCP server could not be contacted. Xbox Customer Support does not support the use of ad-hoc networking to connect to Xbox Live.

If you're using an ad-hoc network without a DHCP server and you can't connect to Xbox Live, check a different diagnostic test for the root of your problem."

Is he using an ad-hoc network and is this DHCP malark something to do with it?

no the router will act as a DHCP server for his pc, you would then as someone sugested above just put the xbox on the same ip range and subnet and enter the wireless conections gateway and dns address in the tcp/ip settings of the LAN connection

all that is saying is that if their isnt a DHCP server any pc's will assign themselves an ip address using APIPA which would start 169.254.X.X hence your XBOx would need to be in this ip range. (i think)

it should just literally be a case of plugging the X-Over cable in and ticking the ICS box on the wifi connection properties

gord · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:48

Set up his network like this and it will work.

Wireless connection on PC: Assigned by DHCP but IP must be in format
192.168.1.#
subnet 255.255.255.0 [same for everything]
The gateway will be something like 192.168.1.254
ICS shares this connection with Lan adapter.

LAN adapter
IP: 192.168.0.1
Subnet: same
no need for a gateway

Xbox 360
IP: 192.168.0.2
Subnet: Same
Gateway: 192.168.0.1

DNS 192.168.1.1
Second 192.168.1.254

Arsey · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:51

neverender said:
Right click on the wireless connection in Network Properties, go Advanced and enable ICS. Put some crossover between the 360 and the PC and all should be well.
That's the way I have my 360 connected to Live anyway, and it works fine, though I use ICS on a wired line from our router and not wireless. Shouldn't make a difference though, bar wi-fi signals dropping and losing connection when online.

There is no advanced tab on the Wireless Network Connection though.

Gord-Should he assign the xbox 360 a static IP address then? Or are all these settings in the router?

$c8t@ · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:53

Arsey said:
There is no advanced tab on the Wireless Network Connection though.

Gord-Should he assign the xbox 360 a static IP address then? Or are all these settings in the router?

YES, on the XBOX 360

bigbilly50 · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:57

Is the case not that you need to use a STANDARD cable (not a crossover) unlike the original Xbox which needed a crossover ?

Arsey · 15 Nov 2006 at 15:59

bigbilly50 said:
Is the case not that you need to use a STANDARD cable (not a crossover) unlike the original Xbox which needed a crossover ?

I think some people have got away from using a crossover because the 360 has some build in crossover convertor thing, but others still use crossovers aswell.

The Mad One · 15 Nov 2006 at 16:02

Select the wireless connection and the lan connection, right click, bridge connections.

Easiest way you don't have to set up ips then.

Arsey · 15 Nov 2006 at 16:04

The Mad One said:
Select the wireless connection and the lan connection, right click, bridge connections.

Easiest way you don't have to set up ips then.

But the LAN is not normally on and if it is enabled then there is just the "little or no packets are being recieved" message.

$c8t@ · 15 Nov 2006 at 16:09

Arsey said:
But the LAN is not normally on and if it is enabled then there is just the "little or no packets are being recieved" message.

it says that because it acknowledges that its "plugged in" but theres no data been sent between the 2 pices of hardware. it sees that another piece of hardware is connected on the other end of the cable but its thinking "well, ive not been told to send anyhing to that, and its not talking to me, WTF limited Connectivity!!!OMG11!!!" when you click the box on the wireless connection to enable ICS (which you cant find at present) it says "oh right nice one, i have to send and recieve any data to/from the wireless connection, here xbox have some t'internet"