Long shot - Time from 21CN enablement to ISP availability?

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Well, it took a year longer than initially planned, but the main exchange up here FINALLY get it's 21CN upgrade over the weekend.

I know there almost certainly isn't a standard answer to this, maybe just people's experience, but roughly how long (ish) from an exchange being upgraded does it take for the major ISPs to start offering their LLU services through it? So far, TalkTalk have appeared with an enablement date of the 20th of April, but more specifically I'm looking for O2 to start offering their products.

Thanks for any info at all guys.
 
To elaborate on that somewhat truncated response;

21CN isn't necessary for LLU services to be provided from that exchange.
21CN is a cost saving exercise for BT to converge all their random technologies (around 15, it's on their website somewhere) into wholly IP based services.

LLU is when other companies put their equipment in BT's exchanges.
 
tolien said:
21CN has nothng to do with LLU.
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Forgive me for my miss-understanding. Funnily enough sometimes it takes making a mistake to learn. I assume you have never asked about something you didn't fully understand? Or are you just that unhelpful?

Yamahahahahaha said:
To elaborate on that somewhat truncated response;

21CN isn't necessary for LLU services to be provided from that exchange.
21CN is a cost saving exercise for BT to converge all their random technologies (around 15, it's on their website somewhere) into wholly IP based services.

LLU is when other companies put their equipment in BT's exchanges.
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Thanks for your slightly more detailed and helpful response.

Can I then amend my query slightly? What is the likely hood of ISPs choosing to offer their higher rate services now the upgrade to 21CN has been done? Will the upgrade have any effect on their ability to offer those services?
 
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Memphis said:
What is the likely hood of ISPs choosing to offer their higher rate services now the upgrade to 21CN has been done?
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It's still early days and so far it's only Entanet offering ADSL2+ services via WBC afaik - WBC being Wholesale Broadband Connect, the bit of 21CN you're interested in. If your exchange has been enabled for WBC take a look at Entanet resellers like ADSL24 and you'll probably find them offering you ADSL2+ services.
 
Memphis said:
Forgive me for my miss-understanding. Funnily enough sometimes it takes making a mistake to learn. I assume you have never asked about something you didn't fully understand? Or are you just that unhelpful?
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Bad time of the month?

Can I then amend my query slightly? What is the likely hood of ISPs choosing to offer their higher rate services now the upgrade to 21CN has been done? Will the upgrade have any effect on their ability to offer those services?
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It'll let them offer ADSL2+, but it's still through BT Wholesale. If they have a BTw operation already, they'll eventually have to offer something through 21CN in some shape or form (or stop using BTw). As Daegan said, though, most ISPs haven't bothered because most exchanges haven't been "upgraded" yet so the choice is A&A, Enta or BT.

Make sure it's 21CN ADSL that's done too, rather than PSTN (i.e. voice service).
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
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LLU is when other companies put their equipment in BT's exchanges.
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I am thinking of moving to BeThere Unlimited. As I understand it, they put their equipment in BT's exchanges. My local exchange has no date allocated for upgrade to ADSL2+ and as a result, I am stuck with ADSL Max and a download speed that was about 6,000 kb/s a year ago but nowadays never gets above 4,000 kb/s :(

I am concerned that there appears to be a cost associated with migrating away from BeThere (should you want to do so), they seem to have a unique modem and you have to give three month's notice.

Do you consider this to be a real problem?
 
stockhausen said:
My local exchange has no date allocated for upgrade to ADSL2+
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You mean 21CN ADSL?

I am concerned that there appears to be a cost associated with migrating away from BeThere (should you want to do so), they seem to have a unique modem and you have to give three month's notice.
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It's not unique, it's just that they want you to use the ADSL2+ modem they give you. You're not forced to do so though, and most ADSL2+ modems will work fine.
There is indeed an activation fee to move your ADSL to another provider.
 
AFAIK if you want to use ADSL2+ on WBC enabled exchanges atm the only option is enta resellers which are for the most part not much more than cowboy outfits...

BT is apparently testing ADSL2+ products through March with a view to rolling out sometime in April but not sure when this will be available to residential customers :(
 
Is there anything on the horizon for BT customers? I been on cable for so many years now I am well and truly out of the loop. With Virgin releasing their 50mb unmetered service on a new network, does BT had anything to compete?
 
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