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I need to keep up with times so looking at some of new purchases, Monitor is basically personal choice and went for the 1060 as sort of stretching my budget to go with 1070, I have couple of SSD and HDD case and decent 650 power supply, would you change anything? Looking for bit of gaming and some video editing in 1080, I am open to other suggestions but can't go more then £1300. I need back lit keyboard as working on things in dark lot of time and I think I could do with 32gb ram specially for video editing oh and needs to be intel build.

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Are you planning to overclock the cpu ? If not then you could go with an i7 8700 and B360/H370 chipset instead. Should be better for video editing.
 
ade555 said:
I am open to other suggestions but can't go more then £1300.
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lee32uk said:
Are you planning to overclock the cpu ? If not then you could go with an i7 8700 and B360/H370 chipset instead. Should be better for video editing.
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Leaves £190 for a monitor, or £200 if you get free shipping from OcUK. Personal choice as you say but I'd consider a fast refresh rate 1080p to make better use of the GTX 1070. The Samsung LC24FG73FQUXEN 24" 144Hz can be found for £200. Good vid here with its pros and cons:

 
Vega 56 which roughly edges out gtx 1070 in some games paired with a Freesync monitor for smooth gameplay . Can even upscale 1080p to 1440p in-game in your getting very high frame rates and have GPU power to spare.

AOC also do a 32" IPS 1440p 75hz Freesync monitor for £220! OCUK only sell the older VA panel for £260 . Really worth a look at

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Intel version

Weaker then Dan's i7 above but stronger GPU , again upscale to 1440p in game

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Intel slightly harder to quote personally as 9th gen is inbound - Asus is throwing the kitchen sink at it with 19 boards... Bit overkill​
 
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Danny75 said:
My basket at Overclockers UK:
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Leaves £190 for a monitor, or £200 if you get free shipping from OcUK. Personal choice as you say but I'd consider a fast refresh rate 1080p to make better use of the GTX 1070. The Samsung LC24FG73FQUXEN 24" 144Hz can be found for £200. Good vid here with its pros and cons:

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Thanks for your build, if I am correct the refresh rate of monitor is only beneficial in games? also been looking comparing the i5 K with i7 on paper i7 better but how would that compare if i overclocked the i5? can you reach 5ghz on them.
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Vega 56 which roughly edges out gtx 1070 in some games paired with a Freesync monitor for smooth gameplay . Can even upscale 1080p to 1440p in-game in your getting very high frame rates and have GPU power to spare.

AOC also do a 32" IPS 1440p 75hz Freesync monitor for £220! OCUK only sell the older VA panel for £260 . Really worth a look at

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,263.01 (includes shipping: £14.10)


Intel version

Weaker then Dan's i7 above but stronger GPU , again upscale to 1440p in game

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,313.00 (includes shipping: £14.10)
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Intel slightly harder to quote personally as 9th gen is inbound - Asus is throwing the kitchen sink at it with 19 boards... Bit overkill​
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Thanks for your build, just don't need case/ssd or power supply
 
ade555 said:
Thanks for your build, just don't need case/ssd or power supply
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what is your actual PSU unit and what storage have you got ? unless your doing heavy intensive data processing , ditch the NVMe for large SSD

i5 8600k is better is you overclock to 5ghz+ and as you've added need a good cooler- i7 8700 will have the longer life span due to 12 thread. but with 9th gen 8 cores coming out... it all gets messy. with core counts and thread counts. intel really dropped the ball and amd are in Prime zone!

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intel - i7 8700k- enable MCE and will drive all cores at 4.7ghz rather then boost single/dual core
will run more voltage though, hence a damn good air cooler.

b360+i7 8700 make a better pairing for cost but seems 8700k is on sale , and if you want to drive 1080p gaming to its max fps then work it. if not, save some cash with dan's excellent suggestion :)

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orbitalwalsh said:
what is your actual PSU unit and what storage have you got ? unless your doing heavy intensive data processing , ditch the NVMe for large SSD

i5 8600k is better is you overclock to 5ghz+ and as you've added need a good cooler- i7 8700 will have the longer life span due to 12 thread. but with 9th gen 8 cores coming out... it all gets messy. with core counts and thread counts. intel really dropped the ball and amd are in Prime zone!

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,316.64 (includes shipping: £11.70)
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intel - i7 8700k- enable MCE and will drive all cores at 4.7ghz rather then boost single/dual core

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £1,311.94 (includes shipping: £0.00)
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Ok my current PSU still using my Corsair 650w bronze that have been solid for last 4 years, and I have 1 x 250gb samsung EVO SSD, some sort of 120GB kingston SSD and 2x 1TB sata 3 HDD, I just put quick build with i7 as when you mention the MCE to run all cores at 4.7 got me very interested, hydro cooler due to future smaller case, also done some digging at software that I use for some video editing that I could do with 32gb ram so little over budget and still can't decide on monitor, believe me it won't be Samsung as the customer service sucks, just had to deal with them about our 4k tv, also I think micro atx build I might move from my huge Corsair 500r case as it just don't bloody fit anywhere.

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b360 can only run 2666hz max on ram, save yourself some cash. also that CLC cooler... if something with water, copper and aluminum is prices next to a medium level Aircooler... i'd avoid!

Pushed the Vega 56 just due to freesync, worth googling G-sync/Freesync monitors over non sync ones when gaming at higher FPS at 1080p

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also whats your Program for editing/rendering ? does it favour Intel over higher thread count AMD?

ryzen 1800x on sale for £200 odd, 8 cores 16 threads...​
 
There is something in my head that anything AMD stay away, maybe old school feeling I'm sure they moved on from old times but I just don't want to take the gamble at this price, I know new intel is around the corner but tell me when there isn't something new around corner tv/mobile/pc need to draw a line somewhere specially when it comes to finances, that is why I choose to edit video in 1080 and not 4k, Yeah 4k looks much better but then you need mega money and stuff I do is for personal use and bit of new hobby well if the system will pull 4k then why not but it don't have to, at this moment I am using Davinci Resolve and I only have 8gb of ram and from my understanding when you start using fusion part of that software just uses so much memory, don't want to sound wrong and I appreciate help from you guys but gaming is not at the top for me so I don't chase the 144hz thing.
 
had stocks in AMD before ryzen released/ ps4pro/ xbox one x /mining boom - safe to say just from that there back in the game haha.

but on a more direct note, they pretty much have intel with their pants down. Intel finally did release more cores then 4, and have suddenly jumped to 6 now 8 but have made a mess of it.
Z370 wasnt actually a coffeelake mobo chipset but z270, B360/H370 and incoming Z390 are true chipset. Cores were hot, very hot and 9th gen will have some of the cpu's IHS soldered to cope .
their 10nm node has been non existent, AMD has caught up form nothing with no budget to speak of and will hopefully surpass with Zen2 . and finally have true competition - gaming wise. current Ryzen still lower specially at 1080p gaming. Workstation loads, beats Intel 70% of the time.

with ryzen 2700/intel 8700 and gtx 1070 + or vega 56... you'll be able to handle 4k editing - just takes a little longer. prob find it'll process quicker then your current times working on 1080p .

144hz gaming is a plus if you got the cash, most often enough those screens are better then your average joe. what you really need to be looking at for video editing is 10 bit panels or HDR/High adobe/srgb scale . these often cost £600+ and 10 bit panels need workstation cards- least for nvidia .

worth reading into

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...e-14-iMac-Pro-Mac-Pro-vs-PC-Workstation-1154/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...aling-Core-i9-vs-Xeon-W-vs-Dual-Xeon-SP-1121/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...U-Performance-Skylake-X-vs-Threadripper-1063/

ditch the vega 56 and push the £450 Gigabyte gtx 1080 windforce, or even stretch to budget gtx 1080ti - or save up for a damn good editing screen! with £200 saved by not going 1080ti
 
orbitalwalsh said:
had stocks in AMD before ryzen released/ ps4pro/ xbox one x /mining boom - safe to say just from that there back in the game haha.

but on a more direct note, they pretty much have intel with their pants down. Intel finally did release more cores then 4, and have suddenly jumped to 6 now 8 but have made a mess of it.
Z370 wasnt actually a coffeelake mobo chipset but z270, B360/H370 and incoming Z390 are true chipset. Cores were hot, very hot and 9th gen will have some of the cpu's IHS soldered to cope .
their 10nm node has been non existent, AMD has caught up form nothing with no budget to speak of and will hopefully surpass with Zen2 . and finally have true competition - gaming wise. current Ryzen still lower specially at 1080p gaming. Workstation loads, beats Intel 70% of the time.

with ryzen 2700/intel 8700 and gtx 1070 + or vega 56... you'll be able to handle 4k editing - just takes a little longer. prob find it'll process quicker then your current times working on 1080p .

144hz gaming is a plus if you got the cash, most often enough those screens are better then your average joe. what you really need to be looking at for video editing is 10 bit panels or HDR/High adobe/srgb scale . these often cost £600+ and 10 bit panels need workstation cards- least for nvidia .

worth reading into

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...e-14-iMac-Pro-Mac-Pro-vs-PC-Workstation-1154/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...aling-Core-i9-vs-Xeon-W-vs-Dual-Xeon-SP-1121/

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...U-Performance-Skylake-X-vs-Threadripper-1063/

ditch the vega 56 and push the £450 Gigabyte gtx 1080 windforce, or even stretch to budget gtx 1080ti - or save up for a damn good editing screen! with £200 saved by not going 1080ti
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On a funny side of things you keep giving me headeck :D, I just don't have that kind of budget wish I did ;)
 
ade555 said:
What would you recommend for ram 16 or 32 and can you add more on both ryzen 2700x and i7 8700?
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Not going to lie, adding ram to intel is easier. Just slap it in and job done, specially if it's 2400hz up to 3200hz .

Ryzen , 4 sticks of 3200hz can cause issues or needs some memory tubing for zero % errors .
3000hz seems to work better unless 3200hz is Samsung B-Die , as it puts less strain on CPUs IMC .
Not to say it can't be done etc . I was lucky and slapped in 2x16GB Corsair 3000hz on x370 board a while ago and worked. Did get 3 errors with 10 hours of mem meat but that's perfectly fine for gaming a light workloads

If you currently have 8GB and mazing it out then move to 16gb if you want to keep costs down. If you currently have 16GB and struggling then 32GB would be worth it, at the expense of cost
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Not going to lie, adding ram to intel is easier. Just slap it in and job done, specially if it's 2400hz up to 3200hz .

Ryzen , 4 sticks of 3200hz can cause issues or needs some memory tubing for zero % errors .
3000hz seems to work better unless 3200hz is Samsung B-Die , as it puts less strain on CPUs IMC .
Not to say it can't be done etc . I was lucky and slapped in 2x16GB Corsair 3000hz on x370 board a while ago and worked. Did get 3 errors with 10 hours of mem meat but that's perfectly fine for gaming a light workloads

If you currently have 8GB and mazing it out then move to 16gb if you want to keep costs down. If you currently have 16GB and struggling then 32GB would be worth it, at the expense of cost
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I was looking at the fusion part of program, and seen video of logo that have drooping particles, and it was using sort of near the 20GB mark so that is why looking at the 32GB, I can't even run this on 8gb, have a look at this video from 10.15

Just to add all this video editing is learning curve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0omK0wtjOPI&t=682s
 
go 32GB then! yes prices are coming down but not as fast as waiting for them for your work etc .

pushing 2400hz 32gb on intel would be easier - just seeing between ryzen vs intel 16 threads vs 12. and also pushing gtx 1080 for the same £450 price tag as the Veg56 for computing power and grabbing monitor that suits your work and gaming .
why we also quote 144hz with cards over gtx 1060 power is because anything over is over powered and your paying a lot for hardware that isn't working at 100% load when gaming . Easy solution to this, specially on 1080p screen is to upscale the game to 1440p.

lot of recent AAA games like BF1 have this option within the game menu :)
 
 
ade555 said:
So something like this should work, there is another MSI curved screen but is on pre order for now

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looks solid, change paste for Thermal Grizzly NON METAL! the now go to paste :)

the pre-order MSI has a brighter image - not HDR brightness but could prove useful for editing. contrast etc are all the same. Pre-order one can use 3rd party mounting kits

*****hold out for 2pm - deal on the gtx is up till 6pm tonight . Ryzen b450 is out in an hour and trying to research is 8 core 16 thread ryzen first gen (1800x) and a much better designed second gen board will provide better editing/playback and export power then intel
 
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