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Cavallino

Cavallino

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Hello folks.

Ive had a Nikon D60 for many years which I replaced temporarily with a Nikon D7200 a year ago, but I ended up returning the D7200 as I didn't get on with it.

Truthfully I have not used the D60 for quite sometime now, and I feel its time to get something a little more modern.

So I have my eye on a Canon this time (I want to give this brand a go). Specifically a 750D...

Ive got a £250 Currys Voucher, and willing to spend another £500. (Nikon have a cashback offer on the 750D I believe), so this brings it into the £500 territory with the 18-135mm lens...

I would be grateful for your opinions and advice, many thanks.
 
Thanks for your responses folks.

Steve M said:
What was it about the D7200 you didn't get on with?
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Mainly the grip, felt it was a bit bulkier than I liked and fairly heavy (compared to the D60)?

MichaelAwkward said:
Why do you need a DSLR if you haven't used yours in quite sometime?

Have you explored the 1" (not really) options? Compact APS-Cs? Mirrorless?
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I will be attending several events in the coming months where I will be using it extensively (hence the reason I am looking at this again).

I haven't really investigated Compacts etc, worthwhile? Any reason you are proposing these? (Price I guess?)
 
MichaelAwkward said:
Because they now offer 90% of the performance for 90% of users.

I myself sold off all of my DSLR kit a few years ago and got an RX10 which is great and performs brilliantly for my non-pro/non-enthusiast needs.

A decent compact like an RX100 will be much cheaper than a DSLR + equivalent lens. Alternatively a mirrorless like a Panasonic GX800/G7 will offer a better package for your budget, as well as bringing all of the benefits of mirrorless (WYSIWYG, better video, smaller bodies and lenses - usually).

Also you could consider buying used.

What kind of events are you attending and in what capacity? If you're not there to professionally photograph them (and I'm guessing you aren't), then you probably don't need a DSLR any more. Of course some events still require one, even as a non-pro, such as motorsports, air shows, wildlife, etc but I doubt that's the sort of thing you're doing as your budget wouldn't be enough for a lens suitable for those uses.
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Wow you sold all your DSLR kit and got the RX10? Is it really comparable?

Events wise , Christening event, wedding and also resort holiday (as well as some others).

I did also look at the RX100 but always wondered about whether point and shoots are really comparable to DSLRs and the old adage that its not the camera but the photographer?
 
Fair comment FurryLemon, actually for the resort holiday idea I was going to buy the DSLR so I can take snaps on any excursions/days out and a point and shoot for the actual resort itself.
So you actually make a very good comment :) Any recommendations for a decent compact for such? (I always had a soft sport for Ixus cameras and the 285 seems to tick all the boxes...)
 
Cheers Michael and all.
Yes I took a look in more detail at the RX10 and got scared when I looked at the Mark III and its price! The 600mm is great but at over a grand and a bit... out of my budget!
The RX10 does look quite good but I read some reviews that's its menu is not the most initiuitive?

With regards to compact, the RX100 maybe a bit too steep, any other compacts with 1" sensor you could recommend?
 
Ugh no I'm even more confused.... reading about compacts and mirrorless cameras and the like... thought I was nearly there but after reading and taking in whats been said here, I wonder if DSLR is really the way to go....

Are mirrorless really taking the fight to DSLRs?
I do like the portability of the mirrorless compared to DSLR but just wonder if I would suffer by going mirrorless.

Lets say what would be a rough equivalent to a 750D with a 18 to 135mm lens...
 
After much researching online last night. I'm now leaning towards to the SONY A6000. I like the size and the fact it has the same sensor size as dslr.

Only gripe is the lens. It would be good to get something in the 135mm range if possible.
 
MichaelAwkward said:
I hardly ever need to delve into the menus once I've set it up how I like it. The same is true for most other cameras. I personally don't have the problem with Sony's menus that reviewers like to point out. Personally I find Panasonic menus more unintuitive.

The original RX100 is the cheapest 1" type camera at the moment at £299 with £50 cashback (you pay £349). You could have a look for a used example if that's too expensive for you but I thought your budget was £500? Don't think that because it's a compact it should be much much cheaper.



Yes, mirrorless have overtaken DSLRs for most purposes for casual users. The only people who buy DSLRs now are professionals (and a lot of them use mirrorless too), enthusiasts with specific lens requirements, and people who don't know any better and think that a professional looking camera will make their pictures look amazing (Canon and Nikon love these last people for obvious reasons).

If you wanted to still have the ability to change lenses then mirrorless cameras like the Panasonic GX800/G7 like I suggested earlier are worth a look. They have bigger sensors than 1" type compacts but still smaller than APS-C, called Micro Four Thirds. APS-C mirrorless options are also available from Sony, Canon and Fuji.

However, if you'd only ever keep an 18-135 lens on it, I don't know why you'd need a interchangeable lens camera. 18-135 APS-C is broadly equivalent to 27-188mm on full frame. My RX10 is lighter, smaller and has an F2.8 24-200mm equivalent lens. You'd have to spend 3 times your budget to get an equivalent focal length coverage on a DSLR. The only think I lose out on is focusing (DSLRs have a separate sensor for this so are naturally faster for things like motorsports, bird photography, etc) low light ability (though APS-C aren't much better) and DoF (which is a function of aperture related to sensor size) however I can still get nice bokeh by standing a bit further back and using it at 200mm F2.8, for example:

http://www.jakeandkimphoto.com/blog-1/2014/7/11/photographing-weddings-with-the-sony-rx10
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Thanks for the extensive explanation Michael. I will read and study it.
Yes I may look at the RX10 Mark 1 again actually.

And yes my budget is up to £700-£800 actually. (But I have a £250 currys voucher so brings is down to around £500 cash).

MichaelAwkward said:
Good camera, but Sony's E lenses cost a fortune for the good ones.

The only similar lens they do is the 18-105 F4 which costs £470.
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18-105 actually might be good... but F4....

Incidentally, are the E lenses similar size to DSLR lenses or smaller? Not seen them in the flesh yet.

Schizo said:
i just rid of my a6000,the price of a good lens made me jump ship,gone to a dslr again and its lovely having so much good cheap glass about,sony really need to get there prices down on there good glass in my eyes.
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That's interesting Schizo. Was it purely the pricing?

Whatabout portability, quality of images etc compared to DSLR based on your experience?
 
Cheers schizo and DP.

Interesting that I'm actually torn between the A6000 and the 750D which is exactly what you went for eventually....

What I really love about the mirrorless is the size, it means I can take it with me on my resort holiday as its not too big in size...

But... as you guys have said, to get equivalent lenses would cost more.
 
Sure is a fair lot to lug around though!

And Michaels comment about the Mark I RX10 is also valid... I should take another look at that as well.

But I really am loving the look of the A6000 cant get over the fact that we can now get DSLR performance in such a smaller form factor...

I think I need to pop into my local currys to at least have a play before I place an order online...
 
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