Mahatma Gandhi quotes ("separate realities")

[kumar101]

Ok heres your starter:

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

 

[kumar101]

http://www.sfheart.com/Gandhi.html

Thanks for the link.

 

[kumar101]

Live as if your were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever.

 

[kumar101]

Welcome and thank you for a refreshing breach of etiquette...

Ooops just realised ive started this thread in the wrong forum can an Admin kindly move it to 'General Discussion', thanks.

 

[kumar101]

If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide.

 

[kumar101]

and proponent of the segretative caste system within his homeland;

He was totally against it. From wikipedia last paragraph. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_caste_system

The inclusion of lower castes into the mainstream was argued for by Mahatma Gandhi who called them "Harijans" (people of God).

He deliberately created the Word Harijan in his day in trying to empower them, however today its deemed to be patronising.

Futher down the paragraph:

tried hard to bring untouchables into the mainstream of society and get the other castes to discard the practice of untouchability.

"Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian location should be chosen for dumping down all kaffirs of the town, passes my comprehension.

Of course, under my suggestion, the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians I must confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian population, and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen."

I need to research this but could well be true since he spent his early years in SA. His enlightenment years came much later in his life, in fact when he was an old man. He did go through a phase of profound change. He abandoned common cultural dogma and brought about many reforms. Martin Luther King happened to be one of his greatest admirers. Heres a quote from Encarta(last paragraph). http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761557424/Martin_Luther_King.html#p22

In 1959 King visited India and worked out more clearly his understanding of Gandhi's principle of nonviolent persuasion

 

[kumar101]

Originally Posted by Gandhi
I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed.

Not the only one to get Hitler wrong:

Winston Churchill, in his book Great Contemporaries (1937) had declared: "One may dislike Hitler’s system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations."

 

[kumar101]

(When asked if he was a Hindu)Yes I am, I am also a Muslim, a Christian, a Buddhist, and a Jew.

 

[kumar101]

I would far rather that Hinduism died than untouchability lived.

 

[kumar101]

I accept he would have made many statements during his lifetime - mostly politically motivated. These were days when the masses were illiterate and oppressed. There is no doubt he did spread propaganda in order to fulfil his own Political agenda.

His views need to taken in context to his lifeline. Did he still hold those views in the latter part of his life when he attained his personal ‘Nirvana’? I don’t think so because his autobiography was entitled ‘The story of my experiments with the truth’

 

[kumar101]

Einstein on Gandhi: Generations to come will scarcely believe that such a one as this walked the earth in flesh and blood.

Listen to Einstein here: http://streams.gandhiserve.org/einstein.html

 

[kumar101]

" Martin Luther King Jr: Gandhi was inevitable. If humanity is to progress, Gandhi is inescapable. He lived, thought and acted, inspired by the vision of humanity evolving toward a world of peace and harmony. We may ignore Gandhi at our own risk."

Martin Luther King with Photo of Gandhi on his wall : http://www.stevenkasher.com/html/Detail.asp?WorkInvNum=903&whatpage=artist

 

[kumar101]

Care to share the fascination with Gandhi... are you Indian as well?

Yes I and come from the same background. My parents were born in the same place in India.

This whole thread started form here: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17585881&page=2

Originally Posted by Cir108
"kumar101 - Cir108 you will have to start a new thread under General Discussion."

If things are what we merely see/envisage, we won't need that many senses. Start a new thread on any topic under the sun and the words "separate realities" might enlighten.

When there is no speech, there can be no thoughts nor language. Then we perceive in shades of black and white. BPI perhaps.

Hence I started this thread cause I admire Gandhi. I got wound up by people on this thread labelling him as a racist. Well either the likes of Martin Luther King and Steve Biko were ignorant or forgiving.

 

[kumar101]

Wound up? Why? his words and actions are recorded in history, it's not as though anyone has made up anything.
He did some good things, i'm not denying it. He also seemed to be prejudiced and considered the native africans in south africa to be inferior to Indians, and while "championing" the cause of the Dalits worked against them ever attaining any real power or freedom.

I would accept this – this was at a time when he was a young hot headed Solicitor starting out his career in SA. I cannot deny the fact they he originated from a country where the caste system existed for many centuries and then into apartheid. His upbringing as a Brahmin would have instilled a superiority complex as well.

The point I’ve been trying to make is that he became a reformed character. This transition is well documented. This is what is most admired about him the World witnessed this change. He needs to be judged on his lifetime achievement. The only thing I would say is don’t judge him on the character he started out as but what he went on to become.