major moral dilema....

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I have a very good friend, who is seriously considering stopping work simply because he can. he lives with a partner currently on maternaty leave and they have a child together, and I dont belive she plans to go back to work either.

As a tax payer this obviously angers me somwhat, because of thier situation they will be doing quite nicely on benefits, my bugbear is that we could all follow suit, and our social, health and education systems would collapse.

My friend is very intelectual, but his basic reason for doing this, is simply because he can. Me on the other hand, I belive in a democratic system, and I belive that all the little mundane jobs contribute to the comfort we all live in.

He has basicly told me what he plans to do, and with him being a really good friend and a great person, I have not really been forthcomming with my views, as to be honest, I think its shamefull and an insult to everything I belive in, but this really is potentially friendship breaking stuff for me, as my ethics wont allow me to have the same relationship with him, which hurts as we have been really good friends for many years, and he will become a scrounger in my eyes, not only a scrounger but a drain on me and all other people who make an effort to keep our society in some kind of decent shape.

Whatt the hell do I do? tell him he is a waster and lose a really good friend?
 
He has a full time job, but he may be getting made redundant, and he has said (due to his circumstance) that he is not going to bother trying to get another job as he cant be arsed basicly...
 
J.B said:
If he's that good a friend Id tell him and let rip. If he's intellectual like you say then he will see your side of the argument. I think he might find with a new baby that benefits dont go that far, but I guess it depends on what kind of lifestyle he's acustomed too.

Also I think most people would get bored of sitting around not doing anything, even if they are getting paid for it.
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Thats the thing, he seems happy t survive on pretty much nothing, as long as he has internet and food in the fridge....thats about as far as his asperations seem to go....

Maybe ill just have to be honest and tell him he is dead to me.
 
Moses99p said:
Is it not possible to say that he's merely making the most of a flawed system. If what he is planning on doing is "wrong" then we need to fix the system...

Not that I agree with choosing to go on benefits, but meh.
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Absolutley, and that forms the basis of his position. yes the system needs to be changed, but in the meantime, do I cut off one of my longtime best friends?
 
peetee said:
theres a few more reasons.
Currently lack of decent stable work in certain areas, is there anything to suite him?
If he could make do on benefits and his redundancy and have a better quality of life than he otherwise would with a crap job why would he take the crap job?
I know which id choose, until a job which actually had a real wage(greater than benefits) came along.
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Thats my point, good jobs dont "come along" you have to persue a good job, make a concious effort to get one, through training and/or experience.
The job fairy isn't going to knock on your door and offer you a 6 figure salary.

That is what makes my blood boil, I have worked hard (outside my employment) to better myself in my employment, only to find some people think they are entitled to my highertax contribution just because of a flawed system. just because they dont want to make any effort.

To answer you question though, yes there are lots of jobs around here that he could do, this is simply a free meal ticket, the guy has not even been laid off yet, its not even a certainty.

It's the attitude that I dont abide by.
 
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brummie said:
i have failed to see this. You disagree with what someone else chooses to do? There's no dilemma, it's life.
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If you had taken the time to read the post, this guy is a really good long time friend, and I am contemplating just telling him straight that I think he is a scrounger and I dont want any more to do with him.
 
At last a reply with some logical reasoning!

You are correct, maybe I am just weak, I should just tell him straight, I dont want the friendship to end but it looks like its going to, afterall, what is a person if they have no ethics.
 
MattandJet said:
He's recieving benefits, WOW THATS WORSE THAN MURDER
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You have utterly failed to see my point, he is not proposing to claim because he needs to, he is making an informed (and hes a clever guy) choice to become a drain on society.....that is my issue.

Ive claimed for short periods before because I needed to, theres no shame in that, that why it exists, to help people through rough patches. use and abuse are 2 different things, I suggest you go to dictionary.com and see for yourself.
 
Vixen said:
Surely if he is your best friend, it would be worse for the friendship to lie about how you feel and build up resent towards him than just tell him how you feel? I don't understand people who pussyfoot around these things, you have an opinion, you shouldn't be ashamed of that and you should be able to debate that opinion with your friends.
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Yes you are right, but my hesitation is that I know such a conversation would result the the end of our friendship, he's a stubbourn git and I wont budge on my ethics.

Its all quite bad to be honest.
 
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