Master Socket Question.

slipd

slipd

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Hey guys,

A friend has just bought a bungalow and the BT master socket comes in at the bedroom. They'd ideally like the socket/their router in the lounge. The wiring is good (6 month old build) so isn't it possible to "move" the master socket, using the existing wiring, onto the lounge socket? He's taken the filtered Openreach faceplate from his last property :rolleyes:

I'm sure a visiting BT engineer told me this once, I was in a similar situation with property - the MS was in the roof!

Any guides/links out there?

Thanks.
 
You appear to be talking about a job that only BT would be authorised to carry out. This doesn't stop many people, but it needs to be said.

What's the lounge socket you refer to?

If you could provide more information about what's there at the moment it'd help.
 
Absolutely, it was a BT engineer that told me... The ethics of it, he can live with :)

From memory it was just a case of using the A/B wires on the extension cabling and then terminating them at your chosen end point. The socket in the lounge will be a filtered Openreach one. At the moment it just serves as an extension from the master.
 
True, but he wouldn't be able to use a filtered face plate would he? The main objective being, he (well his bird) doesn't want microfilters hanging out of all the other sockets...
 
The extension wire to the lounge will have multiple pairs in it.

Install the filtered faceplate on the master socket where it is currently located.

Connect the voice extensions to the terminals on the now filtered side of the master socket.

Connect a spare pair from the cable to the lounge to the unfiltered terminals on the master socket.

In the lounge connect install a suitable faceplate for the data extension.
 
slipd said:
he (well his bird) doesn't want microfilters hanging out of all the other sockets...
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You know that you only filter the sockets that actually have phones plugged in? With a decent set of DECT phones and that's only one socket in use (possibly two if Sky still needs to be plugged in).
 
bremen1874 said:
You know that you only filter the sockets that actually have phones plugged in? With a decent set of DECT phones and that's only one socket in use (possibly two if Sky still needs to be plugged in).
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I do, yes. There would be other phones plugged in so dangley filters are definitely a no :o

Right, so looking at:

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Where are you saying we should wire the lounge extension up to? I'm guessing this would mean getting a dedicated rj11 faceplate then for the lounge?

Thanks for your help!
 
Replace the existing master with the filtered one, all extensions would then be filtered.

Just put the router in the bedroom.
 
PiKe said:
Replace the existing master with the filtered one, all extensions would then be filtered.

Just put the router in the bedroom.
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Ha, the router in the bedroom? You've not met his missus mate :p

But yeah, under "normal" circumstances, that would be ideal.
 
I had a similar situation I think. I had the master socket in one room, with a phone plugged in, from this master socket there were two extensions, one in another bedroom, with a second phone and one in the lounge unused. I wanted the router in a third bedroom without an existing extension and I didn't want microfilters.

I used This Guys Youtube channel to help me out with wiring it all up

  • I purchased a VDSL / ADSL NTE5 faceplate (which afaik does the filtering as the signal comes in to the main socket, and so the extensions will also be filtered).
  • I then used some CW1308 2 Pair wiring terminated into the rear of the faceplate into the A + B terminals, to carry the VDSL signal to the bedroom I wanted the router in.
  • The cable was terminated on a Cat 5E faceplate (middle two connectors)
  • I used an RJ11 > RJ45 to connect the router to the Cat 5E faceplate for the ADSL signal
That way I had filtered extension sockets for the phones (no microfilters needed) and I had a dedicated extension for the router in another room where I wanted it.

It was very easy to do, even for a bumbling idiot like me.
 
Before you do anything you need to check that they've used suitable cable.

If it isn't twisted pair (not uncommon to find alarm cable used for phone extensions) it'll cause problems with the broadband side of things.
 
The best (legal) solution is obviously getting a BT engineer out to move it.


The second best (legal) solution is to run a data only extension to where they want it. It's super straight forward as VaderDSL has said.

In principle get a filtered faceplate for the current master socket. Phone socket extensions are run from the faceplate, so by filtering the signal at the master socket, it means that all the other sockets don't have the ADSL signal in them. Of course, this means that they can't use any of the existing sockets for the modem! Like Pike says (unless they re-wire them)

Anyway, to get the modem out of the bedroom run an Ethernet cable from the master socket to where they want the modem to be. Use two wires, from the six in the Ethernet cable, to connect to the new A and B terminals on the new filtered faceplate.

Where you have the modem you simply need to wire up a newly bought socket. Unlike VaderDSL, rather than using an ethernet socket I used a phone socket with filtered faceplate, so I didn't need a converter.

If they use a second phone socket with filtered faceplate they'll have an A and B terminal that they can wire it directly into.

Bob's your uncle. They've now got a super simple, clean and easy setup.

This is what I've done. We still have the master socket in the hall next to the front door, but I've "moved" just the data to a cupboard under the stairs. I also ripped out ever out telephone socket and cable in the house :)
 
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