Maybe Sandybridge E isn't cutting it anymore

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So, I have made up my mind, ideally last 2 weeks of July, Im building a PC if I can (I have 2 weeks leave then)
My existing PC has served me well (Sandybridge E 3930K, 32G RAM, dual R290's (in x-fire) SATA SSD's and HDD's, but it is struggling now and I kept putting off an upgrade.

I guess the big question for me today (after seeing the price drop for the 7950X) is do I wait for AM5 refresh, or just go current AM5 and take advantage of the price drops as current AM5 is still a big upgrade I presume
I'm sure I saw someone on here say the B850 boards weren't as good as the B650, I remember v19 vs v21, I think some detail of the chipset, but I can't exactly remember. That also made me think current AM5

My main usage will be heavy photo and video editing with some gaming, mainly games that don't play well on the switch or steam deck, AOE4, Age of Mythology retold when it is released, CIV series, you get the picture.
After running a full tower case for all this time I need to reclaim space so Im going ITX with as much power as I can, this is what I was sort of looking at back in Dec 23 when I first started looking at this for costing (In todays prices.)


AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Sixteen Core 4.9GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail £359.99
Asus ROG Strix B650E-I Gaming WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 Mini ITX Motherboard £219.95 - could go to X670E for USB4
G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo EXPO 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - B £239.98
Zotac GeForce RTX 4080 Super Trinity Black 16Gb Graphics Card £998.99 (this does fit in the case)
Crucial T705 4TB NVMe PCIe Gen5 M.2 Solid State Drive £610.99 (could swap for Gen 4 to save cash)
Samsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive with Heatsink £350.00 - these go on the back of the mobo - do I need to worry about cooling?
Lian Li Galahad II Trinity SL-INF AIO 240mm ARGB CPU Water Cooler - Black £144.94 Not into RGB, will be turning it off, but this gets good reviews

Add to that Dan A4-H20 + 850W SFX PSU and Im looking at £3593.45 originally at Dec 23 prices!

Due to the case size, it seemed necessary for the 8TB of storage as I didn't want to have to rebuild or redo the cable management to add another 4TB in 6-8 months time. 8TB is 60% less than I have now.
32GB of RAM is probably fine, but Ive been running 32GB for years, if Im spending this much I want to feel like it is an upgrade
Could save cash on GFX, but having worked on projects using an Nvidia card elsewhere, the difference is night and day for GPU acceleration and CUDA of course. Maybe a 4070? Or have AMD improved that much?

It is going to be hard as OCUK have a lot of pre order stuff at the mo, ideally around the £2500 mark, though happy to go to 3K if needed.
 
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For fully multithreaded stuff the 5900X and 5950X are still pretty good, but AM4 will always be limited to DDR4 (128GB max capacity versus 192/256 with DDR5) and in single thread apps those CPUs are slower than AM5 CPUs by a fair margin which is going to impact on your general productivity and PC responsiveness.

In fully multithreaded, the 12 core 5900X is roughly equivalent to the 8 core 7700 and the 16 core 5950X is roughly equivalent to the 12 core 7900.

(CPU: single, multi)
Ryzen 7 7700: 4063, 34590
Ryzen 9 7900: 4153, 48879
Ryzen 9 7950X: 4285, 62875
Ryzen 9 5900: 3449, 34416
Ryzen 9 5950X: 3469, 45657

If I was buying a new workstation, I'd want a mix of the best single and multi thread performance, with the highest memory capacity and that's no longer AM4.

The 7900 non-X is my prsonal favourite, but will be interested in Epyc 4004 if they ever appear in DIY:

In terms of: X3D versus X/non-X, the loss in gaming performance can be significant, but from the kind of games you play you don't seem like a high FPS gamer.


PCIE5 SSD: I don't think the benefit justifies the cost unless you're transferring large volumes regularly between drives or loading giant projects.

Cooling: it depends on your usage, most drives you have to push them pretty hard to get significant throttling, but if you're hammering the drive all the time then that could be a problem.


From what I've seen on channels that cover productivity like Tech notice, AMD (RDNA3) are fine for 2D work and video editing, but if you're using CUDA and doing 3D work then they're still behind (same goes for AI). If you were going to drop down, I'd only drop to a 4070 Ti Super (4070 has only 1 NVENC and you'd lose 4GB of VRAM). I wouldn't buy RDNA3 unless you check all the benchmarks for apps that you use regularly, but be aware driver updates can change performance dramatically in apps that are previously poorly supported and unoptimised. I think it is extremely unlikely your workload will bottleneck on the storage more often than the GPU, so keeping a PCIE5 drive and saving on the GPU seems ill-advised.
Thank you, will go through this in detail once I have left work
 
So something like this (OCUK don't have everything in stock) but this gives me something to look at and compare to. Comes in at £2788.22



AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Sixteen Core 5.70GHz (Socket AM5) Processor

£529.99

Asus ROG Strix B650E-I Gaming WIFI DDR5 Mini ITX Motherboard

£219.95

G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo EXPO 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - B

£239.99

Zotac GeForce RTX 4080 Super Trinity Black 16Gb Graphics Card

£998.99

Samsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive with Heatsink

£349.99

Samsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 4.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive with Heatsink

£349.99

Dan Cases A4-H2O A4 Mini-ITX Case - Silver

£159.95

Lian Li GALAHAD AIO SL 240mm High Performance RGB CPU Water Cooler - Black

£144.95


Lian Li SP850 SFX Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply



£144.95
 
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So my final list ended up as this. Way over budget as I was buying a couple of bits a month so I wasn't watching costs as much as I would upgrade a part and just add the extra cost from that months money.

Ryzen 9 9950X
Asus STRIX X870-I
Ncase M2
64 GB Trident Z5 Neo C30
4TB Crucial T700 Gen 5 NVMe (OCUK had a great deal at the time so I went for it)
8TB WD SN850X Gen 4 NVMe
Asus ProArt 4070 ti super
Lian Li Galahad II 280mm LCD AIO

start the build next week....
It will be one heck of an upgrade for me :D
 
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