McLaren become the first Carbon Neutral Formula 1 Team

hydro electric power plants have destroyed massive areas of forest i though? are they really good for the enviroment?

No. They are good for humans. The environment gets pretty screwed by them.

formula one is carbon neutral since 1997 anyway

'Formula 1' as a travelling circus of teams and fans has been, but It wouldn't have covered the teams actual construction of the cars or running of their factories and offices.
 
320 parts per million, to 390 parts per million... So from 0.00032% of the atmosphere, to 0.00039%.

Show me the data from the last 100,000 years, and we can start to talk trends. The idea that 50 years represents a significant enough time frame to start drawing up trends in relation to the development of our planet is so idiotic I don't know why scientist even tolerate it.

It would be like a Dr assessing if a patient has died by taking their pulse for a mere 0.0001 of a second.

50 years is 0.0000000110132159% of the age of the planet (4.54bn years). It's impossible to draw meaningfull information from such a minute spread of data.
 
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how do you propose we measure it from more than 50 years ago?

To the same level of detail? We can't, and that's my point. With such a tiny data set it is impossible to draw any meaningful trends. To then use those trends to impose legislation is bonkers.

If there wasnt such an 'image' around CO2, and therefore money to be made and votes to be won, the data would be dismissed in a heartbeat.
 
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The only fact we know is that we don't know enough..

It doesn't stop people thinking they do though.

You are right. We have so little understanding or data that it is simply impossible to make any calls for or against human impact on CO2 figures.

A woman I used to work with had a good way of looking at it. Our planet goes through major changes on a yearly basis, categorised into seasons. Now imagine if each season lasted 10,000 years, and was just a natural cycle of the planet. There would be no records or living memory of previous seasons, so imagine the panic that would spread if the trees started turning orange, and temperatures started going down, and it started raining more... People would start to think the planet was dying. In actual fact, its just a natural cycle that we do not have enough data to understand.

The simple thing you have to understand is most people are stupid. It doesn't take much scratching of the surface to realise the numbers (and graphs, a la Clarkey) presented to you by the Daily Mail, etc are misleading or even completely meaningless. And even a large proportion of people who understand that are still subject to 'following the crowd' and being drawn into opinions based on popular belief. And Governments and Businesses know that. Naturally, they then pander to those belifes (which in turn re-enforces them) for their own benifit, be it winning votes, or making money.

Meanwhile, other potentially hazardas emissions are being completely ignored, and other global issues being pushed aside in favour of Mr MP winning Mrs Bloggs vote because "he's cares about the environment because he has fitted solar panels to his roof".

CO2 is a marketing excersize, and its working. At a personal level, I have not been given anywhere near enough meaningful information to form an opinon either way on the effects of human activity on CO2 emissions. Those who dismiss the impact as having no effect are as misguided as those who are certain is is having one, but nothing compares to the idiocy of either side of the argument being used to impose laws.
 
Graphs like that are the whole problem.

It only takes 2 seconds to look at the numbers in context and realise its utterly pointless. But unfortunately most of Joe Public is persuaded by a graph with a line pointing upwards.
 
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