McLaren W1 - P1 replacement

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New top of the heap McLaren announced. The W1:

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As impressiveas as it is... the P1 looks much prettier.


Agreed.

When I had the 750S for a few days, that does 0-124mph in 7.2s compared to 8.2s for my 600 LT and felt literally scary fast, the in-gear acceleration was nothing short of properly bonkers.



The new W1 does it in 5.8s. :eek:
 
Anybody else just not bothered by hypercars anymore? Like, they've peaked for a while now and i'm not entirely fond of the looks. It's all getting more and more electric, for obvious reasons, so there's no more biblical noise to be had.

Meh.

Maybe i'm just getting old :p

Agreed, older cars drive better too, far more engaging on public roads at legal speeds.

Even now with manufacturers doing their best to engineer in fun element, many times the older slower models are more fun to drive. Give McLaren kudos though the 750S is a more fun car to drive than the 720S, a combination of the shorter gearing and some handling tweaking. Still however to truly enjoy a 750S you want to be accelerating from 50-150mph to truly enjoy and exercise it properly which of course you should not be doing on a public road with speed limits.

It is why when I met my hero the GT3 I kept it six months, at normal speeds I found it boring and actually annoying, its engine though a masterpiece was northing short of dull and boring below 6000rpm, as such to enjoy it I was always chasing the redline and driving like a bloody idiot everywhere, in this day and age with a camera everywhere its not really viable, every time I gave that car a squeeze of the go pedal I always felt hugely guilty as it sounded crazy and the sound of it travelled for miles, my other half said to me when I got home one Summer evening, "I was sat in the garden and was listening to you ragging it over the hills for around ten minutes before you arrived at home" as such I just always thought one day this car will lose me my license.

My problem was is my dream GT3 was always the 997 GT3, the natural step up from my 997.1 C2S I owned for five years which was huge fun at legal speeds, admittedly I drove it like I stole it most the time but been less powerful and having a manual transmission you did actually have to try. If I revisit the GT3 I will go for a 997.1/992.2 GT3/GT3 RS model which are all manuals and have a reputation of been the most fun and engaging road variants of GT3, every generation after just became somewhat numb at legal speeds and boring, loss of hydraulic steering, loss of the manual and engines which really only deliver at illegal speeds.

I probably have the most fun in my Alpine on a very tight twisty B road and for general driving around I absolutely love thrashing around in my E30 325i Sport, can drive it so hard and it is all mostly legal, the older stuff is just more engaging, only downside is a luke warm hot hatch or an entry level EV will leave you for dust typically, but faster never means better or more fun. :)

It is why the older stuff in many cases is rocketing in values, older hot hatches, older Porsches, older BMW's some are absolutely flying in value, but me and Mrs were talking yesterday and as she gets to drive my cars she said she now drives new stuff and is like why does the steering feel so fake or bad and the seating positions can feel so wrong, modern stuff that is even geared toward the motorist has lost what made some of the older stuff truly engaging and great to drive by adding in so many safeties or electronic systems all essentially removing feel.
 
Anybody else just not bothered by hypercars anymore? Like, they've peaked for a while now and i'm not entirely fond of the looks. It's all getting more and more electric, for obvious reasons, so there's no more biblical noise to be had.

Meh.

Maybe i'm just getting old :p
Best cars are from around 10-15 years ago in general tbh. Better sound, better size & weight and an actual usable amount of power for the road. A lot of newer cars are doing nothing for me
 
All Mclaren's look the same to me!

Not just McLarens, seems like most super/hyper cars looks the same now. We don't seem to have any which really stand out anymore.

But with cars in general now older models just feel better to drive. The further we get from analogue and the more weight they put on, the worse they feel.
 
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Anybody else just not bothered by hypercars anymore? Like, they've peaked for a while now and i'm not entirely fond of the looks. It's all getting more and more electric, for obvious reasons, so there's no more biblical noise to be had.

Meh.

Maybe i'm just getting old :p
I can't link the clip because he swears in it. But have a look on youtube for "Clarkson destroys modern cars in 30 seconds". He totally agrees with you.
 
Cars are getting worse generally.
I'd never want to 'upgrade' from my 1 series, so something with only screens, no buttons, super heavy, electric etc.

Doesnt really apply to this though which will only sit on wealthy people's garages, never to see the light of day.
 
All that safety stuff is fair enough, although a royal pain in the ass. Manufacturers have to abide by the law.

But they DON'T have to get rid of all buttons in lieu of a giant screen that is more dangerous to operate, less intuitive and generally worse for the consumer. They only do it because it's simpler to make and cheaper.
 
All that safety stuff is fair enough, although a royal pain in the ass. Manufacturers have to abide by the law.

But they DON'T have to get rid of all buttons in lieu of a giant screen that is more dangerous to operate, less intuitive and generally worse for the consumer. They only do it because it's simpler to make and cheaper.

Same reason for electronic / steer by wire etc. It's far cheaper than an physical, analogue or hydraulic system. But it doesn't feel anywhere near as nice and you can't feel what the tyres are doing.

Even mundane stuff. If you try driving e.g. an old 90s Corsa (un-assisted steering, cable throttle etc), a lame car at the time vs sport cars. But then drive a new car right after, it will likely feel like there is something wrong with the new one, everything feels so sluggish and un-connected.
 
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Yep. Miss my old Exige. Or even the VX220, didn't even have driver aids that one! I'm happy with my 140. I feel that was just around the turning point (for BMW at least) before things went south. (test drove a newer 240i and hated the big screen thing and fewer buttons)
 
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