Memory Latency should be lower?

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PC specs in signature. Timings from Ryzen RAM Calculator. Ran a stress test for a while with no errors.
Also played Warzone for hours with no issues. I just feel like things could be better that maybe somebody with experience in memory overclocking might see.

I also can't get it to run at 3800mhz and 1900 fclk no matter what the timings are. I know my CPU can run 1900 FCLK because I was running it for quite some time on my other ram kit.

New kit is also Samsung B-Die

Old RAM kit was G.SKill Trident z Neo CL 16-19-19-39 running at 3800mhz / 1900 FCLK

F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC

New RAM is G.SKill Trident Z Neo CL 14-14-14-34 Running at 3600mhz / 1800 FLCK and at timings posted below.

F4-3600C14D-32GTZNA

Appreciate any input!

 

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I have no extra programs running or open. I just ran it again to be sure and got 58 ns.

When I first got the kit installed, I ran it just with XMP and it was at 66 ns! I will try again just to make sure nothing funny was going on.

I would think even just at XMP this kit would have had me below 60 ns before tuning.

I am on Windows 11 but I think they fixed those issues already?

 

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Yes you should be at around 57-58 before tuning.

They said they fixed the issue but I still wouldn't trust it 100%. There was multiple fixes issued afaik. Also I think you need latest amd chipset drivers for the proper compatibility with 11 so ensure that is done.

11 would be my guess. Nothing else makes sense.

I have the latest bios and chipset installed. I switched back to XMP and here is the results.

Did you reset CMOS after installing the new kit to let the memory train?

Should easily be able to do 3800/16 and most likely 3800/14 on the new stuff.

Yes CMOS has been reset a few times. That was my thoughts as well.

I thought for sure I would be able to still run at 3800mhz on the new kit with much tighter timings. Was not a cheap kit so rather disappointed in the results.

 

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Might have to give that a try. Almost tempted to put Windows 10 back in and see if that helps any.

 

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Put Windows 10 back in. Not much changed really.

RAM at XMP 14-14-14-34 @ 3600mhz = 60.6 ns

RAM at tuned 14-13-13-26 @ 3600mhz = 57 ns

So Windows 10 looks to be roughly 1 ns faster than Windows 11. I still feel I should be lower with my setup.

 

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Here is the latest result. A little better but still not where it should be in my opinion. Also still annoyed this kit won't run 3800mhz when my cheap kit was able to just fine.

 

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Mine won't run 3800 with 4 sticks, but it runs 3733 fine and always has done. Try yours at 3733. Ryzen cpu's do have a memory hole and it varies from one cpu to another.
For instance, mine has always refused to run 3800 at 1:1 with 4 sticks but will run fine at 3800 and beyond with 2 sticks. Your ram is Dual rank, so may well have the same issue as me even though you only have 2 sticks.

The RAM I ran at 3800mhz was also dual rank. I posted the kits in the OP. I haven't really messed with the frequency to much. I get errors pretty quick with just XMP and setting it to 3800 mhz. My cheap kit ran at XMP and set to 3800 mhz no problems.

So I just been focusing on lowering the timings as much as possible. Though it might be a waste since AMD does not seem to benefit from RAM overclocking like Intel.

 

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Let me specify that I'm talking for gaming. In particular Warzone, where intel users see a massive jump in fps from overclocking their RAM. AMD on the other hand does not really seem to gain much of anything as far as gaming performance goes.

I mean, just from going from 3600mhz 16-19-19-39 XMP to a better kit with 3600mhz tuned 14-13-13-24 did not seem to gain me much of anything. So from what I have seen others say, and my own experience I'm not impressed.

 

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Can you reset timings to default and try 3800 then? Also what voltage are you applying?

I got it running stable currently at 3800mhz. Now I just have to try and get it from CL 16 to 15.

 

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Good to hear. What voltage are you applying to memory?

It's at 1.45v. I could get more out of it if I upped the voltage to 1.5 but it tends to get over 50c. So I need to find a good cooling solution before I go any further.

 

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I don't know about the G.SKill Trident Z Neo, but i've had my Team Group 8Pack Edition 2x16GB 3600MHz kit running 3800MHz, CAS14, FLCK1900, 1.5V for over a year.
Its perfectly fine, idle its only slightly warm to the touch. TestMem5 0.12 with Extreme1@anta config it runs without errors for hours. Apparently thats a super aggressive RAM testing program too. Those sticks are rated 1.20-1.40v

I would run 1.5v to try to get more out of the ram but it gets over 50c and will get errors. I already have pretty good air flow in my case. So need to figure out a clean way to get a fan blowing directly over the RAM or something to get the temps lower.

 

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What are you benching / playing to take the ram over 50c and generate the errors? I have an Infrared thermometer laser temperature gun so can try the same. RAM temp idle is ~25c

Inside case looks like this. Front two case intake fans and rear case fan are 'Noctua NF-A14 PWM Chromax Premium Grade Fan - 140mm'
All 3 are locked at 42% to keep noise at a constant level thats not loud but provides good cooling

I test with Karhu and it gets to around 53c in Warzone at 1.5v. At 1.45 it gets up to 47c. Here is a pic of my case. Front has 3 x 120mm intake, 280mm AIO top mount with 2 x 140mm exhaust and 1 x 140mm rear exhaust.

 

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After an hour and half of Warzone memory is 45c (laser temp sensor so not exactly 100% accurate)
Memtest86 earlier didnt seem to do much, but only left it 3 hours. Temp was 29c
I don't have Karhu to test

Very colourful PC!

Lol Yeah I haven't got around to changing the colors yet. So it is currently RGB puke for now.

I use HWMonitor for temps and even at idle I'm around 35c on the hottest RAM stick.