Mercedes W211 E Class

Ricochet J · 31 Mar 2010 at 21:24

I have a few questions regarding the W211 E Class, if anybody has any answers.

1. What year did the facelifted models come in? What were the changes?

2. Did the E320 (petrol) or even the E350 (petrol) come in manuals?

3. What are the differences in running costs between the E320 and E350? A jump in performance for the E350 looks reasonable, but at what cost?

Thanks

[TW]Fox · 31 Mar 2010 at 21:31

There is virtually no difference in running cost between E320 and E350 - the E350 is simply a new design of engine which replaced the E320.

All E Class are automatic.

The facelift was 2006, IIRC.

DM · 31 Mar 2010 at 21:33

There are manual cars, no one wanted them though. There was also a minor interior facelift in about 2003 (face vents etc)

OllyM · 31 Mar 2010 at 21:34

[TW]Fox;16275573 said:
All E Class are automatic.

Not quite, the E200 Kompressor and E220 CDI were available with a manual gearbox, but they sold about five of them as manuals

Ricochet J · 31 Mar 2010 at 21:40

The sport came with paddle shift, which I guess is the next best thing.

[TW]Fox · 31 Mar 2010 at 21:42

OllyM said:
Not quite, the E200 Kompressor and E220 CDI were available with a manual gearbox, but they sold about five of them as manuals

Who would want a 4 pot E Class anyway?

DM · 31 Mar 2010 at 21:42

Ricochet J said:
The sport came with paddle shift, which I guess is the next best thing.

I think the sports were called Avant Garde. The Avant garde i had (2005 car) a few years ago had no paddle shift.

[TW]Fox · 31 Mar 2010 at 21:46

DiamondMark said:
I think the sports were called Avant Garde. The Avant garde i had (2005 car) a few years ago had no paddle shift.

No, there was a Sport as well but I think it was facelift only.

Maz · 31 Mar 2010 at 23:34

[TW]Fox;16275674 said:
Who would want a 4 pot E Class anyway?

Facelift 220Cdi is 170bhp and very good indeed, Sport came in with 18'' wheels aswell as paddles and was E280 upwards.

[TW]Fox · 31 Mar 2010 at 23:41

Maz said:
Facelift 220Cdi is 170bhp

Thanks for proving my point.

Sukh · 31 Mar 2010 at 23:42

[TW]Fox;16275674 said:
Who would want a 4 pot E Class anyway?

Rude Boi on the state with massive finance innit!

Maz · 1 Apr 2010 at 00:09

[TW]Fox;16276656 said:
Thanks for proving my point.

Driven one have we?

[TW]Fox · 1 Apr 2010 at 00:11

Maz said:
Driven one have we?

I don't need to drive a 4 cylinder 170bhp diesel E Class to know it's no E320 CDI (Which I *have* driven). I've driven enough 177bhp variant 2.0 BMW's - considered a superior engine to the Mercedes offering - to know such a powerunit doesn't suit a big automatic executive saloon.

Or a brand new sports Coupe

Maz · 1 Apr 2010 at 00:26

[TW]Fox;16276860 said:
I don't need to drive a 4 cylinder 170bhp diesel E Class to know it's no E320 CDI (Which I *have* driven). I've driven enough 177bhp variant 2.0 BMW's - considered a superior engine to the Mercedes offering - to know such a powerunit doesn't suit a big automatic executive saloon.

Or a brand new sports Coupe

There are thousands if people that would disagree, the 220CDI engine from 2006 - E Class is an excellent engine and suits those cars very well.

This engine was introduced to the New C Class and New E Class but not the CLK or CLC which used older 150bhp engines.

The same engine is now available as BlueEfficiency engines in newer gen cars and now available as a 250CDI engine which is a great performer giving good mpg and low emissions. Obv MB had a huge problem with injectors shortly after the release of that engine but looks like it's all been sorted now.

[TW]Fox · 1 Apr 2010 at 08:13

Maz said:
There are thousands if people that would disagree

Only because they judge a cars ability by the size of their company car tax bill.

Maz · 1 Apr 2010 at 08:29

[TW]Fox;16277698 said:
Only because they judge a cars ability by the size of their company car tax bill.

The E220CDI is also a very popular used car.

DM · 1 Apr 2010 at 08:56

220's are gutless, but still quite a nice place to be.

The loan ones i had when i had my 320 were all ok to be honest. They absorbed the road and munched the miles very well.

You just aint winning any traffic light burn ups.

[TW]Fox · 1 Apr 2010 at 09:05

Maz said:
The E220CDI is also a very popular used car.

Of course it is, oversupply due to bias towards it on the company car market drags prices down. Its purely a financial decision to choose one. The E320 is a far better suited engine to this class of car.

Rwac · 1 Apr 2010 at 09:42

[TW]Fox;16277899 said:
Of course it is, oversupply due to bias towards it on the company car market drags prices down. Its purely a financial decision to choose one. The E320 is a far better suited engine to this class of car.

How many e class owners (buying new) do you know that buy them to drive fast in? Every single one I know drives them slowly, wafting gently like an elephant with graceful wings from home to work.

Exactly the reason why there are lots of 2.0 TDI A6's on the road.

[TW]Fox · 1 Apr 2010 at 10:20

It is nothing to do with outright speed at all. Its about smoothness and refinement, the very point in cars like this.

4 cylinder diesel engines are neither smooth nor refined. They are bought not because of how well they fit with the concept of an executive saloon but because they cost less - be it purchase price or company car tax.