Microsoft already developing Xbox 3

Dr Who said:
To be honest, it would make a lot of sense to make the next xbox simply an enhancement of the current model...

A bit like upgrading a pc, keep the same OS, controllers, and then use a more powerful CPU and GFX with enhanced memory architecture...

Yeah ok, so it will run DX12 but it will still run DX9 games, as well as the new DX12 games, just like a PC...

Everything else can simply be keeping certain items in the console rather than having them as plugins... wifi for example...

That way you can have much more chance of retaining backwards compatibility...

Wii controllers are a mere novelty, there is nothing about the Wii controller that couldn't be implemented on any other console if the software support is available... it isnt a function of the console, its a function of the controller/interface...

Main problem is, all that motion sensing is actually pretty expensive to implement, making additional controllers more expensive...

The main reason PS2 was so popular is that it had backwards compatibility and was pretty much the best available at launch... This time MS got the 360 out well ahead, and the PS3 doesnt offer enough to make people upgrade from a 360...

If MS can keep up the momentum, retaining backwards compatibility, so that people don't have to retain their old consoles, then they really could sign the playstations death warrant... just like Sony did to Sega...

The main advantage we have from MS is that the Xbox now shares a LOT with the PC.. That is gonna make games more portable, and MS's objective of getting Windoze games alongside Xbox games in Blockbuster a genuine reality... That in turn increases revenues for games designed for Xbox and PC, reduces lead times for those 2 platforms, and is a win win for everyone..

Now, if only MS could introduce "XBox Live for PC" so that PC gamers can join Xbox gamers online...

Could be the next step to reduce PC piracy..

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I agree with the fundamentals - the one issue I have is that this makes the pc version and X360 version of any game completely comparable - and with graphics cards doing a refresh every 6 months and a complete resign every 12 or so , while it was arguable that the last gen of Pc cards was roughly equivelant to the X360 now (ie the X1950 /7950 generation) the 8800 blows it out of the water - and considering the price it should do ok

Of course the X360 WILL improve, and could do quite considerably in its lifecycle but one thing that will never happen (and if it is pc hardware why shouldnt it) why not have one disc for the X360 and PC - to cut distribution / production / advertising costs , if anythign this move could increase sales of software and hardware

At least with the sony games it being completely different hardware this was really impossible to make the same comparison and only very recently did the games even start appearing on all formats within weeks or months and for all the pain for the developers in the beginning of each generation the improvement in each by the end is phenomenal
 
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that MS aren't working with IBM on the next XBox. MS have setup their own chip design team so it appears they'll be designing the chips themselves. Good or bad move?
 
mparter said:
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that MS aren't working with IBM on the next XBox. MS have setup their own chip design team so it appears they'll be designing the chips themselves. Good or bad move?
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In the long run as it should reduce production costs via licensing and there is the potential to sell the processor design to other companies. It seems like a very shrewd investment to me and they get complete control over what the chip does.
 
The next xbox is 5 years away. They will not run out of sync with the sony efforts. It wouldnt make sense to. Otherwise you end up in the may as well wait for the next next gen all the time. Also software companies wouldnt want it either when right now they get to develope titles for both in relative sync.

They will launch first again but probably not with the gap they have now.

They wont launch a next console til they have too and that will be forced by nintendo and sony.
 
dannyjo22 said:
They will launch first again but probably not with the gap they have now.

They wont launch a next console til they have too and that will be forced by nintendo and sony.
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Microsoft can afford to launch sooner than the other brands but bear with me as it wont be like how X360 came in and xbox just almost dies off instantly.

It is possible to have the X360 still being manufactured and selling prior to waiting untill the platform is no longer viable. Can i support this by asking how many Xbox 1 games released this past year?

Now compare this to PS2 how many games arrived on this platform this year?
Its also guarnteed to outsell the PS3 in 2007.

The point being made Micrsoft could launch the next generation in 3-4 years time, nobody knows they dont even know themselves yet. I agree they will come out the door first again but by then the X360 will also continue to be supported just like the PS2 is at the moment.

This will increase their market presence further.

My fear is how things might turn sour if/when they become the No.1 and how they would be toppled from this position. Competition is always a good thing
 
FrankJH said:
the Mk2 will be out in 6 months to a year to aid in the battle with PS3 but it will be functionally the same (albeit cooler and quieter)

The next generation of Xbox will be a good 3 - 4 years away from now, how long did the original xbox take to die 3 years or so? With a success which is the X360 it will be easily as long (to make the most back possible on the gigantic investment in developement etc) but dont be getting fooled into expecting the same type of controllers etc, after all this is where automatic profit comes from for MS, all the licences for add-ons with a slightly different connector so you have to buy everything again for the new console
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Okay, I may be wrong, but doesnt the 360 use directX9 for graphics and sound?

So, if I am right, then its merely the CPU code that will need changing from powerpc to x86?

It wouldnt surprise me if the next gen xbox was ATI/AMD powered....

;)
 
I do think there will be respun X360 within the next 12 months in order to keep the product fresh and competitive against the PS3.

My hopes for this would be:

Integrated HD DVD Drive

65nm chip architecture with cooler / quieter running

Much bigger hard disk - like 160gig plus for HD movies downloads

More stylish chassis

Finally get the movie download service online for europe including HD

And in general I'd like to see MS deliver a web browser, wireless KB/Mouse for browse / email - I could pretty much get rid of my home PC at this point.

Support for Windows Shares with DiVX / MPEG decoders so we can lose the media connect rubbish - not understanding directory structures, I ask you!
 
Sclodion said:
I do think there will be respun X360 within the next 12 months in order to keep the product fresh and competitive against the PS3.

My hopes for this would be:

Much bigger hard disk - like 160gig plus for HD movies downloads

Finally get the movie download service online for europe including HD
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Once the licensce agreements are done you will see the HD Movie and Tv Streaming available. These things take a lot of logistics...

A larger HD well its almost certain to happen
 
Sclodion said:
Support for Windows Shares with DiVX / MPEG decoders so we can lose the media connect rubbish - not understanding directory structures, I ask you!
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I would so love the 360 to support HD Divx/Xvid movies...

Then I could store my library of dvd's and HD TV series on my PC and stream them to my 360...

:cool:
 
Mr Latte said:
Its also guarnteed to outsell the PS3 in 2007.
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This may well be your opinion, but its not gaurenteed by any means

PS anyone can skew figures (ie to an extreme "we sold 100% all our units manufactured in 2007".......How many did you release? "20, but thats not important" ~you get the idea)

You MAY end up being correct, but at this point in time its not gaurenteed by any means.
 
Mr Latte said:
Once the licensce agreements are done you will see the HD Movie and Tv Streaming available. These things take a lot of logistics...

A larger HD well its almost certain to happen
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Its the uncertainty that bugs me though. I work in the TV / movie industry, I work closely with the studios as they look to which electronic formats and protection mechanisms to use to deliver content and although far from perfect, Windows Media is the only real choice today for network based delivery so the studios are actually quite keen on the idea of delivery to x360s (apart from Sony obviously ;))
MS do not appear to be making the push to get the services running in Europe that they did in the US, Sure, there are rights issues to overcome but given MS could get a real competitve advantage in Europe over the PS3 by making download services available, I'd have thought they'd be trying a lot harder to make it happen.
 
I think its all going to happen though.

USA leads the way and has several options for Video on Demand.

The Uk is begining to use the internet more
Look at Channel 4 now offering VOD and BT have thier own solutions.

Microsoft are indeed in a very good position.

A) The Live service can offer this easily in a nice delivery system
B) You can bet Vista/MCE/X360/Mobile intergration is coming
C) Microsoft have the software / the infastructure and marketing muscle to forge such partnerships.

All these things will of course probably be normal come the next generation consoles. This generation will enter them in though and the more reasons Billy Boy can come up with for people having a home console in a living room the better for him.

We dont know yet were live is going to take us but online gaming is only the begining.
 
FrankJH said:
This may well be your opinion, but its not gaurenteed by any means

PS anyone can skew figures (ie to an extreme "we sold 100% all our units manufactured in 2007".......How many did you release? "20, but thats not important" ~you get the idea)

You MAY end up being correct, but at this point in time its not gaurenteed by any means.
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Okay then i cant gurantee it but do your research and see whats still the best selling system, even in Japan. Im basing my opnion on worldwide sales and the PS2 has a lot of life left in it yet partuiculary in some foreign markets.

Its also still an ideal system for younger kids and meets the price point parents want. Sony are profiting well out of it so they are not just going to drop it. PS2 PS3 arnt competing products.
 
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Mr Latte said:
Okay then i cant gurantee it but do your research and see whats still the best selling system, even in Japan. Im basing my opnion on worldwide sales and the PS2 has a lot of life left in it yet partuiculary in some foreign markets.

Its also still an ideal system for younger kids and meets the price point parents want. Sony are profiting well out of it so they are not just going to drop it. PS2 PS3 arnt competing products.
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Seeing as MS have been selling their unit for a year longer (15 months when it finally comes out here) yes they are going to have the most units sold but by the time Sony get their distribution working fully I dont think it will be such a clear cut thing with the growth in sales / speed of sales potentially in Sony's court later this year.

Hasnt it been widely reported that Sony are losing $300 per unit or so on the more expensive variaty - whatever the actual loss is it certainly cant be described as them "profiting well" from it. This method of sale is how every games console in history has been sold with usually heavy losses on the base unit and profits galore on software and add-ons , MS are no different in this regard but with their cooler / quieter and cheaper to produce X360 coming relatively soon they are another step ahead for sure.

oppppsss sorry I realise now you were talking about the PS2 in ragards to profiting from it .....this is only the case because its been a success for the last........6 years or so? and yes I actually think Sony will have to drop it , why add to the competition for potential ps3 purchasers?Doesnt make sense to keep it going really - especially with less software becoming available

Its a family freindly price yes - but it hasnt got the pulling power by any means of the PS brand , and it HAS got the relative failure of the original xbox in comparison.........it doesnt make any difference to people like us (on tech forums) for sure, but it could easily do to the majority of people on the street.
 
UK service providers putting limits on their products restricts any sort of Video on Demand service MS could offer anyway, especially HD content :(
 
Last report i read was X360 now profits MS as they reduced production costs by approx 47%

Anyways even if the X360 still lost them money MS just dont care, their in it for the long term
 
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