Microsoft Security Essentials is not good enough

[wjfcomputers]

http://malwareresearchgroup.com/malware-tests/flash-test-results/

Time and time again I see security experts on this forum recommending MSE over-and-above other solutons, with the most common reason being "it's used in forefront by businesses so must be good" or "I've used it for years and never been infected".

The fact is malware has changed.

MSE protects you at the point of detection, not infection. How do you know you have never had a virus?

Malware these days is targeted and lots of viruses delete themselves. You may have been infected for a few minutes, hours or days. By the time Microsoft have written a signature for the threat and your machine has downloaded it, it's too late - and you have no idea that your data has been stolen.

Please stop recommending MSE on this forum without doing some more research.

 

[enigma27]

to be honest i think your being a bit harsh... as a virus detection system i find it great and to be honest have not had a virus in over 3 years.

Most people would recommend a combination of virus + Antimalware as a basic standard and I run MSE and Antimalware bytes.

As with most things these days people are getting virus because they are opening or clicking links they should not..

best form of prevention is if your unsure of something dont click it.

 

[wjfcomputers]

and to be honest have not had a virus in over 3 years.

How do you know you have not had a virus in 3 years? You completely missed the point of my post.

Malware isn't like it used to be. You may have been infected for just a few minutes, or long enough for it to upload your Word docs, Excel Spreadsheets and Username/Password for your email account.

After it has what it needs it deletes itself.

MSE users have no idea, as far as they're concerned their machine operates correctly, and MSE says there is no infection.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Another one who doesn't use the antivirus thread, sigh.

Ps...

http://www.emsisoft.com/images/awards/mrg_flash_2011_550_en.png

Emisoft comes out top on that chart? Who you trying to kid buster? Get back in ya hole.

 

[wjfcomputers]

Another one who doesn't use the antivirus thread, sigh.

Ps...

http://www.emsisoft.com/images/awards/mrg_flash_2011_550_en.png

Emisoft comes out top on that chart? Who you trying to kid buster? Get back in ya hole.

Check the first link, the results are independent.

I've got no agenda, just trying to help people.

 

[Inferno99]

Please stop recommending MSE on this forum without doing some more research.

Research shows malwareresearchgroup.com to be completely bogus

http://www.av-comparatives.org/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=934

 

[wjfcomputers]

Research shows malwareresearchgroup.com to be completely bogus

http://www.av-comparatives.org/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=934

Wrong, back in 2009 there were concerns about them being legitimate, these concerns were unfounded.

The results of the test still stand, and these test results are the most meaningful because they test against unknown malware, with a focus on information theft.

 

[Mr Krugga]

Research shows malwareresearchgroup.com to be completely bogus

http://www.av-comparatives.org/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=934

Interesting thread.

Any more reliable and recent results from other parties then?

 

[Inferno99]

I would use AV-comparatives and AV-test for better results.

 

[Destination]

Please stop dissing mse for not doing well in the jobrole it isnt aimed for.
You will find most folks when advising suggest mse in combination with mwb, whichnis my current usage and indeed has been for several years now.

 

[wjfcomputers]

I would use AV-comparatives and AV-test for better results.

That's terrible advice - the vast majority of their tests are against "known" malware. Their zero-day tests are weak.

 

[wjfcomputers]

Please stop dissing mse for not doing well in the jobrole it isnt aimed for.
You will find most folks when advising suggest mse in combination with mwb, whichnis my current usage and indeed has been for several years now.

I guarantee 90%+ of the experts on these forums are so happy with MSE they use it as their sole real-time scanner.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

I guarantee 90%+ of the experts on these forums are so happy with MSE they use it as their sole real-time scanner.

You trying to sell everyone Emisoft I take it?

 

[Destination]

I guarantee 90%+ of the experts on these forums are so happy with MSE they use it as their sole real-time scanner.

Guarantee based on what?
Not going to start a to and fro with you.
Your results suggest mwb is virtually the best, issue being in its base form it is an on demand scanner and thus would score absolutely zero, if the user didnt run it.
It can be bought in other forms.
Anyway i still recommend mse and mwb in combo with uac on and basic stupidity switched off.
This free, low footprint, inobtrusive approach i find to be effective.

 

[Inferno99]

That's terrible advice - the vast majority of their tests are against "known" malware. Their zero-day tests are weak.

The AV-comparatives retrospective tests use new/unknown malware against heuristics rather than definitions of known malware.

 

[wjfcomputers]

You trying to sell everyone Emisoft I take it?

Yawn, no.

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Yawn, no.

http://forums.comodo.com/general-di...ernet-security-58-fake-review-t76329.120.html

Take a read yourself. Banned user who has something to do with that site. Maybe you go do YOUR research first?

 

[wjfcomputers]

http://forums.comodo.com/general-di...ernet-security-58-fake-review-t76329.120.html

Take a read yourself. Banned user who has something to do with that site. Maybe you go do YOUR research first?

In the nicest way possible, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I have no problem with you or anyone else running MSE on their PC, I just object when you decide to advise people on security without knowing what you're saying.

If you're concerned about information theft, you need to take steps in addition to MSE to secure your PC, or you need to run a more comprehensive suite. My personal preference is Prevx or Webroot SecureAnywhere, but I don't endorse any particular product.

Regarding research, I've lived and breathed information security for many years and I'm constantly researching every single day (Sad, I know). That's one of the reasons why I feel I'm more qualified to advise about security than you

 

[Deleted member 77746]

In the nicest way possible, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I have no problem with you or anyone else running MSE on their PC, I just object when you decide to advise people on security without knowing what you're saying.

If you're concerned about information theft, you need to take steps in addition to MSE to secure your PC, or you need to run a more comprehensive suite. My personal preference is Prevx or Webroot SecureAnywhere, but I don't endorse any particular product.

Regarding research, I've lived and breathed information security for many years and I'm constantly researching every single day (Sad, I know). That's one of the reasons why I feel I'm more qualified to advise about security than you

I don't give a damn who is more qualified or anything else for that matter. You said it yourself, personal preference. I don't run MSE on my PC. I have a mac.

You ask failed to see the thread.

 

[wjfcomputers]

I don't give a damn who is more qualified or anything else for that matter. You said it yourself, personal preference. I don't run MSE on my PC. I have a mac.

Then all I ask is you stop recommending MSE to newbies, as you don't know what you're saying.

Enjoy your Mac.