Microsoft's New Products

Craig321 · 2 Jun 2006 at 21:46

I like all their new products, I like the new look etc.

I've been trying out Office, WMP11 and IE 7 today (obviously I set a restore point before install

).

I like every single one, but reverted after installing Office 2007 due to not trusting a beta with all my precious emails

Anyway, I just downloaded a file in IE thinking there was going to be a nice Vista-style download box, but all I saw was the same old one that's been there for years

Also, with Outlook I did a send a recieve thinking I'd see a nice new send/recieve box, but it's exactly the same as it always used to be.

Anyone know if Vista is the same as this? Is there stuff in Vista that still looks exactly the same as Windows XP?

Maybe it's just the betas, hopefully it is, but I really think after such a huge graphical change in Windows they should do everything, not leave stuff like the download box and the send/recieve box etc.

What do you think of their new products aswell?

I just really want to know if EVERYTHING has changed in Vista? Have they left stuff the same?

Craig.

Jet · 2 Jun 2006 at 22:57

Are those boxes not governed by the operating system? Maybe try downloading the Vista beta and check?

I'm the same mind. Always have to upgrade when there's a new look lol. Currently got the Office 2007 beta and had the IE7 beta for a while.

csmager · 2 Jun 2006 at 23:03

They're pretty much still the same. The green progress animation's slightly different, but nothing to write home about.

Apparently they're meant to be replacing it in the RCs... but I'm not fussed if they don't.

SiriusB · 2 Jun 2006 at 23:04

Jet said:
Are those boxes not governed by the operating system? Maybe try downloading the Vista beta and check?

I'm the same mind. Always have to upgrade when there's a new look lol. Currently got the Office 2007 beta and had the IE7 beta for a while.

I think it is an OS thing. Why rewrite code that is basically fine and does its job well.

In Vista the whole interface is 3D so I would imagine new dialogs will make an appearance.

SiriusB

Craig321 · 2 Jun 2006 at 23:05

Jet said:
Are those boxes not governed by the operating system? Maybe try downloading the Vista beta and check?

I'm the same mind. Always have to upgrade when there's a new look lol. Currently got the Office 2007 beta and had the IE7 beta for a while.

Is Vista beta public now?

Maybe the download box is operating system, but I wouldn't have thought stuff like the send/recieve box in Outlook is.

csmager · 2 Jun 2006 at 23:07

SiriusB said:
In Vista the whole interface is 3D

Hardly.

Deathwish · 2 Jun 2006 at 23:25

I think he means its enhanced with 3D elements, and uses the graphics card more for accelerating the GUI.

SiriusB · 2 Jun 2006 at 23:25

You need a 3D card to view the Vista interface. It is modelled in 3D mate. Never said it looks 3D nor convincing

SiriusB

manveruppd · 3 Jun 2006 at 00:04

Microsoft said:
Beta software does not necessarily display the same high level of stability of shipped Microsoft products.

I couldn't help but laugh...

Energize · 3 Jun 2006 at 00:23

Craig321 said:
Is Vista beta public now?

No

Psyk · 3 Jun 2006 at 00:56

You can get the beta with an MSDN subscription IIRC.

ballistic · 3 Jun 2006 at 01:04

Psyk said:
You can get the beta with an MSDN subscription IIRC.

or without one

Psyk · 3 Jun 2006 at 13:17

ballistic said:
or without one

Heh I'm talking legitimately here.

Caged · 3 Jun 2006 at 15:57

manveruppd said:
I couldn't help but laugh...

When did XP last crash for you?

manveruppd · 3 Jun 2006 at 16:25

OS crashes are indeed rare with XP - whenever my system hangs completely it's usually a device driver that caused it. Component bits of the OS are another matter though: I frequently get explorer.exe crashing on me, and then Dr. Watson crashing trying to send the crash info to MS!

Caged · 3 Jun 2006 at 16:47

manveruppd said:
I frequently get explorer.exe crashing on me,

When looking at video files in thumbnail mode?

comp builder · 3 Jun 2006 at 19:19

so when vista come out will you need to replace the graphics card?

comp builder · 3 Jun 2006 at 19:44

how much different will it be e.g performance graphics gaming etc

gamesaregood · 4 Jun 2006 at 02:25

Anyway, I just downloaded a file in IE thinking there was going to be a nice Vista-style download box, but all I saw was the same old one that's been there for years

The style of the download box is based on the windows OS theme and not IE. When using IE7 Beta 2 in vista Beta 2 Build 5308 it looks like this:

It looks the same really, its only the surroundings which looks a little more vista styled.

Is there stuff in Vista that still looks exactly the same as Windows XP?

I think its more simular than the same.

Maybe it's just the betas, hopefully it is, but I really think after such a huge graphical change in Windows they should do everything, not leave stuff like the download box and the send/recieve box etc.

The graphical changes are more windows based than the programs which you have been testing. There are however some changes which you can see in the applications, for example when you hover over the buttons within Windows Media Player 11 Beta?

I just really want to know if EVERYTHING has changed in Vista? Have they left stuff the same?

If they changed EVERYTHING and left nothing the same you would not reconise it as windows

. They would also in some ways be saying that what they have been doing for X number of years was wrong etc. The fact is Windows XP has been around for 5 years for a reason.

so when vista come out will you need to replace the graphics card?

That all depends on which graphics card your using now and if you want to take advantage of Aero, and lets face it thats going to be one of the main reasons to upgrade.

how much different will it be e.g performance graphics gaming etc

I think thats going to depend on the PC its running on. Also Direct X 10 i would think is going to be the gaming advance.

Hope some of the above helps

I'm using a Technet copy of Beta 2 5308 32bit so if you would like a screenshot of something let me know.

Michael

manveruppd · 4 Jun 2006 at 02:44

Caged said:
When looking at video files in thumbnail mode?

Nope, it just crashed on Windows loading randomly on bootup - nearly always if it was a cold boot. It was pretty comic, as Dr. Watson didn't pop up a message to let me know it crashed, so I spent months wondering why I couldn't get my desktop to load even after forcibly closing explorer.exe via task manager and running it again: drwatson hadn't closed, and for some reason that meant I couldn't close explorer.exe either. Once I figured it out and closed drwatson.exe, everything worked properly again. I eventually stopped it from happening altogether (touch wood) by disabling "launch folder windows in a separate process" in folder options. And yes, I know, it claims that enabling it leads to greater stability!