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Mini upgrade of Ryzen system ~ CPU advice

JessieD

JessieD

JessieD

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I built a new system in July last year just when GPU pricing kicked off. And I'm interested in a mini upgrade.

Current system is


CPU~~~~~~~ Ryzen 5 1500x
Motherboard ~ Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5
RAM ~~~~~~ Avexir Core Green Series 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4
GPU ~~~~~~ Gigabyte 1050 OC (added a few months ago to replace stopgap GT 780 & tide me over till gpu prices drop)
PSU ~~~~~~ EVGA SuperNOVA 850w G3 PSU

I'm thinking of getting a Ryzen 7 1800X (when the rest of the threadrippers come out in August & October - hoping prices might drop a tiny bit then)
Regarding the CPU, yay, nay or something else?


PS The GPU will happen when the 1100 series comes out & will probably be a 1080.
Nothing else is being upgraded
 
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what res are you playing at? 1080p/1440/4k? (i'm thinking you use the pc for gaming mainly)
I'd say getting a 1700/1800x would be nice, but it might not benefit you right now.
so depending on the res, i think the cpu should do fine. Maybe get a beefier cooler and dabble with some mild OC (3.8-3.9 should be attainable)
i'd be against adding 32gb on, more like sell your stick and put in a 32gb kit. Usually having more than 2 sticks in puts some more pressure on the IMC of the cpu. Also get some good ram that can do 3000/3200 at 14(that seems to be the sweet spot for AMD).
I'd say first thing is get yourself a GPU, and see then if you need a better cpu or not (see your cpu usage per cores in games, if you hit high percentage you're probably bottle necking your GPU somewhat)
 
Hi
I have a triple monitor setup
1 x24 inch for cctv only (1920x1080)
1x 27 (1920x1080)
1x32 (2560x1440)

I'm playing Sims 3 with ALL Expansions & LOADS of CC this thing taxes both GPU & CPU And loads of custom made worlds added on.

(first person to google the recommended specs for an individual expansion pack or the base game on its own & quote it at me gets sent to Coventry) :D
 
I am going bankrupt here. :D
But hmmm do want

EDIT I just chucked some money at overclockers. Dual channel 32GB RAM kit & 1Tb SSD (old one is 250GB) heading this way.

Now back to CPU's :)
 
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i think you will see zero benfit from 32gb RAM have you run task manager to see how much you are actually using.. also you already had a single stick 16gb so you could have bought another single stick, thinks youve just wasted your money
 
My Mrs is a huge Sims player and heavily involved in the community. Although predominantly on The Sims 4 now, we recall TS3 (with all packs and CC) as being poorly threaded and 32bit non-large address aware, meaning it can only use 2Gb of memory. However you can patch the executable to become large address aware allowing the process to address 4Gb.

Therefore fewer, but faster CPU cores will normally be best and memory beyond 8Gb-16Gb will not be beneficial, however memory bandwidth certainly helps. Moving both the game files and save game directory to an SSD is very beneficial.
 
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zola25 said:
My Mrs is a huge Sims player and heavily involved in the community. Although predominantly on The Sims 4 now, we recall TS3 (with all packs and CC) as being poorly threaded and 32bit non-large address aware, meaning it can only use 2Gb of memory. However you can patch the executable to become large address aware this allowing the process to address 4Gb.

Therefore fewer, but faster CPU cores will normally be best and memory beyond 8Gb-16Gb will not be beneficial, however memory bandwidth certainly helps. Moving both the game files and save game directory to an SSD is very beneficial.
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Hi thanks :)

I'm already on an SSD but it is only 250GBs, the 1TB SSD is arriving from OverclockersUK tomorrow with the dual channel 32GB RAM kit.
The comments in this thread & speaking to OC on the phone has convinced me to go with a Ryzen 7 2700x rather than an 1800x

The question is do I get it now or wait for the upcoming threadrippers to be released & see if that will cause a price drop on the Ryzen 7 2700X? Then the next thing will be a better GPU (1080?)in the next few months.
 
The 2700X is a much better choice than the 1800X due to higher per core performance and improved memory speeds. It'll also be great for just about anything else you wish to do with your computer. Make sure your motherboard BIOS is updated to support the new CPU before swapping over though.

I'm not sure if Threadripper impacts the cost of mainstream Ryzen that much, I think the first gen prices dropped more due to the Ryzen 2xxx line launching. On the GPU side a 1080 is an excellent fit for a 1440p screen, assuming that's the one you game on. As you've said though, it's probably worth waiting to see what the next nVidia generation brings, even if that just means better deals on the 1080.

Fore reference, my wife runs TS4 with all packs with a spec identical to mine below and it flies. TS4 performs much, much better than TS3 but the benefits should be similar.
 
zola25 said:
The 2700X is a much better choice than the 1800X due to higher per core performance and improved memory speeds. It'll also be great for just about anything else you wish to do with your computer. Make sure your motherboard BIOS is updated to support the new CPU before swapping over though.

I'm not sure if Threadripper impacts the cost of mainstream Ryzen that much, I think the first gen prices dropped more due to the Ryzen 2xxx line launching. On the GPU side a 1080 is an excellent fit for a 1440p screen, assuming that's the one you game on. As you've said though, it's probably worth waiting to see what the next nVidia generation brings, even if that just means better deals on the 1080.

Fore reference, my wife runs TS4 with all packs with a spec identical to mine below and it flies. TS4 performs much, much better than TS3 but the benefits should be similar.
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I have Sims 4 with all expansion packs installed too. I reinstalled Sims 3 with everything plus custom cc after getting sick of the lack of terrain & world editing options & restrictions of Sims 4. I'm hoping with these upgrades I'll be covered for another couple of years.

The OC UK chap said what you said. He didn't think that the threadripper releases would have any impact on the Ryzen 7 2700X prices, drat!:(
My next trick will be to clone my 250gb SSD onto the new 1GB SSD tommorrow. If I lose my Sims stuff I'm going to go into mourning. Plus reinstalling Windows 7 on Ryzen is a massive pain
 
JessieD said:
I have Sims 4 with all expansion packs installed too. I reinstalled Sims 3 with everything plus custom cc after getting sick of the lack of terrain & world editing options & restrictions of Sims 4. I'm hoping with these upgrades I'll be covered for another couple of years.

The OC UK chap said what you said. He didn't think that the threadripper releases would have any impact on the Ryzen 7 2700X prices, drat!:(
My next trick will be to clone my 250gb SSD onto the new 1GB SSD tommorrow. If I lose my Sims stuff I'm going to go into mourning. Plus reinstalling Windows 7 on Ryzen is a massive pain
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I'm sure you can backup your game progress.
 
I would go with the 2600X for the 4.2 boost, VRM will be fine, same VRM as the K7 6+2x2. Using the 1800X here which is just a waste if I'm honest. But the method in the madness was to get the best silicon, not the most cores.
 
JessieD said:
I have Sims 4 with all expansion packs installed too. I reinstalled Sims 3 with everything plus custom cc after getting sick of the lack of terrain & world editing options & restrictions of Sims 4. I'm hoping with these upgrades I'll be covered for another couple of years.

The OC UK chap said what you said. He didn't think that the threadripper releases would have any impact on the Ryzen 7 2700X prices, drat!:(
My next trick will be to clone my 250gb SSD onto the new 1GB SSD tommorrow. If I lose my Sims stuff I'm going to go into mourning. Plus reinstalling Windows 7 on Ryzen is a massive pain
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The Sims 4 is quite restrictive compared to 3 I know, and yes, we've experienced the pain of clean installing the Sim 3 + all expansion packs :eek:. You could use the 1Tb drive to supplement your existing 250Gb SSD assuming you have enough slots and this would mean no reinstalling/cloning.

However, if you'd like to clone the disk Macrium Reflect can do this for you (even the free version), or better yet if you have a 3rd drive of any kind you can create an image file to the 3rd drive then restore to the new one. Both approaches should keep your original SSD unharmed until you no longer need it. It is possible to port Sims 3 to a new install, we have done so by copying the game files, save games and registry entries over. However, CC and store content tends to break so I'd not recommend that.

As others have said the 2600X is also worth considering on the CPU front if you'd like to save some £.
 
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Running 2 R7 2700X systems, an ATX and mITX. Love the ability to house a 8 Core system in a Phanteks ITX box with a 240mm AIO.
 
I'm pretty much definitely (99% sure) going to buy the Ryzen 7 2700X now. Overclockers should pay you lot commission.:D
I think I should wait a few weeks though just on the very very very remote chance it drops by a few quid.
 
Your upgrades make no sense at all. Why on earth have you upgraded to 32GB RAM and added a 1TB SSD?

Also, your original purchase could have also seen you get a better graphics card and CPU with a lower spec PSU and motherboard.

Your best upgrade now would be a Ryzen 5 2600 and then overclocking on the Wraith cooler first, and if the overclocks aren't stable then upgrade the cooler. But at the moment you're throwing money at some upgrades that make no sense at all for the benefit you're after.
 
CHokKA said:
Your upgrades make no sense at all. Why on earth have you upgraded to 32GB RAM and added a 1TB SSD?

Also, your original purchase could have also seen you get a better graphics card and CPU with a lower spec PSU and motherboard.

Your best upgrade now would be a Ryzen 5 2600 and then overclocking on the Wraith cooler first, and if the overclocks aren't stable then upgrade the cooler. But at the moment you're throwing money at some upgrades that make no sense at all for the benefit you're after.
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I bought the motherboard on the basis of what I needed & being future proof
I bought the best Ryzen cpu I could afford at the time.
And as clearly stated in the first post
GPU ~~~~~~ Gigabyte 1050 OC (added a few months ago to replace stopgap GT 780 & tide me over till gpu prices drop)
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The system was built the week the prices shot through the roof so I couldn't get the 1070 I was after.

Upgrading to a 1TB drive when my 250GB was nearly full makes absolute sense.
 
JessieD said:
I bought the motherboard on the basis of what I needed & being future proof
I bought the best Ryzen cpu I could afford at the time.
And as clearly stated in the first post

The system was built the week the prices shot through the roof so I couldn't get the 1070 I was after.

Upgrading to a 1TB drive when my 250GB was nearly full makes absolute sense.
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The GPU I can understand. I didn’t know exactly when you purchased it, all you said is it’s another stop gap until you can get a 1080. But you probably don’t need 32GB RAM and you could have used that on a better CPU which will probably give you the biggest performance gain aside from a GPU at the moment.

You’ve also dropped £170 - £200 on a new 1TB SSD which I very much doubt you need. You could have picked up a smaller SSD or a mechanical drive and moved things around and you’d have saved loads of cash that way. You say you’re going to become bankrupt but your hardware purchase decisions seem rather odd and wasteful to me. That’s just my opinion but if you’d have scaled back a bit you’d be benefitting from a better CPU by now, and it wouldn’t be such an agonising decision.

You’ve also asked for advice on an upgrade path and when nobody has suggested you upgrade HDD or RAM, you’ve done it anyway and gone way over the top. It’s your money of course, but it’s just a little confusing to me, that’s all :)
 
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