Minimum space for the toilet and shower?

barnettgs · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:19

Well, I am planning to divide the big kitchen into medium kitchen and small toilet/shower.

I worked out the space on image editor for toilet and shower (900mm x 900mm) - it is 2450mm x 925mm. (25mm to allow a small gap just in case)

It looked a bit tight but is that possible?!

Zirax · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:30

Look for what they call an "understairs" cupboard toilet. I forget the exact term used, but essentially they are a smaller toilet. Are you looking at a corner entry shower? That would be something worth considering in that space.

edit: remembered, its a cloakroom sink/toilet

Troop · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:30

Building reg's state you need 2 doors between a toilet and kitchen.

Zirax · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:31

Troop said:
Building reg's state you need 2 doors between a toilet and kitchen.

Good point, something that I had forgotten about

barnettgs · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:32

Troop said:
Building reg's state you need 2 doors between a toilet and kitchen.

Already covered that hence I come up with that size.

Vonhelmet · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:34

barnettgs said:
Well, I am planning to divide the big kitchen into medium kitchen and small toilet/shower.

I worked out the space on image editor for toilet and shower (900mm x 900mm) - it is 2450mm x 925mm. (25mm to allow a small gap just in case)

It looked a bit tight but is that possible?!

Ask this guy.

DB_SamX · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:35

THere is also issues like a minimum of 600mm in front of toilet/shower/sink as well + door swing space.

I suggest popping into waterstones and having a browse of the Architect's pocket book (a5 size and blue). I gives the min sizes in diagrams. Mine has gone into the loft already unfortunately.

barnettgs · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:35

Zirax said:
Look for what they call an "understairs" cupboard toilet. I forget the exact term used, but essentially they are a smaller toilet. Are you looking at a corner entry shower? That would be something worth considering in that space.

edit: remembered, its a cloakroom sink/toilet

Shower will just flushes between walls at the end and the loo would be in the middle, just checking if there is enough space to walk pass for shower?

Zirax · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:36

One other thing, are you having the door open into the room or an outward opening door?

I'm no builder, just throwing ideas here

Zirax · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:40

barnettgs said:
Shower will just flushes between walls at the end and the loo would be in the middle, just checking if there is enough space to walk pass for shower?

As said I would head to a bathroom showroom with a tape measure and have a check. Its going to be tight. From memory my old toilet was 67cm from the wall to the front of the pan (just done a bathroom, not that sad

) Now the cloakroom toilets were a lot smaller which could be ideal for you

barnettgs · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:46

Zirax said:
One other thing, are you having the door open into the room or an outward opening door?

I'm no builder, just throwing ideas here

Open into the room...well, really tight!

barnettgs · 17 Jun 2007 at 22:46

vonhelmet said:
Ask this guy.

Miserable old git.

whitecrook · 17 Jun 2007 at 23:31

Consider a 'wet-room'. I think the regs are slightly different for such a beast.

Adam_151 · 18 Jun 2007 at 10:21

Troop said:
Building reg's state you need 2 doors between a toilet and kitchen.

I'm not sure that they do anymore, I haven't got the inclination to read it at the moment, but I should imagine the answer can be found in approved document G

nealw · 18 Jun 2007 at 11:52

I thought you needed 2 doors too, but there was certainly only 1 door between the toilet and the kitchen area in my studio apartment, and every other studio apartment that i've seen is the same.

Melm0 · 18 Jun 2007 at 11:56

Troop said:
Building reg's state you need 2 doors between a toilet and kitchen.

There is only one door between my kitchen and bathroom, but I live in a bungalow and i'm not sure how old it is - and if those regulations cover it.

LOAM · 18 Jun 2007 at 12:48

Troop said:
Building reg's state you need 2 doors between a toilet and kitchen.

Wrong, it was relaxed a good few years ago, it just needs to be separate from an area of food preparation (this can be achieved via single door separation) , you will need to provide a mechanically operated extract fan capable of 15L/second with an over run timer within the toilet/shower room, I would also say that BCO will require an extract fan 60L/second (30L if local to cooker) in the newly formed kitchen as well as they may well count it as a new kitchen rather than a refurbed one.

Your best bet is to speak to your local Building Control Officer for guidance.

edit, one more thing, as you are installing a toilet, you will require a hot water fed hand was basin as well.

Deadly Ferret · 18 Jun 2007 at 14:52

I have recently built a shower room into a bedroom. I decided not to include a toilet as a macerator would have been required, which would have caused noise pollution problems in the adjacent bedroom.

Some things to consider, which of course you may already have:

1. How will the waste travel?
2. Will you require a macerator for the toilet?
3. Will there be sufficient water pressure? If not a pump will be required. (Assuming electric shower.)