Ok first of this is prob. my fault, I remember reading don't update or it will start freezing. It happened at 11:05 today & it just skips right over that time in the log files I checked. I used to have Ubuntu 10 & this prob happened. people said Mint didn't do it, so I went to mint, until the update, no freezes, is there a way to figure out why it freezes, like a error only log or a app. I can get to stress the system for Mint 10. I am no Linux guru, that is why I got Mint. I have memtested a few times already & no errors found & these sticks are around a year old so fairly new. Oh ya plus there was a thread on the Ubuntu forum about it that was fairly long, but no real answers.