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Hi peeps I am looking at upgrade advice for my system on a CPU and motherboard. I recently upgraded an rx480 to the 1070 and find it bottlenecks my system so what do you think I should be looking at when upgrading all options are viable just want to see what you guys think is the best way to go. Ram would be upgraded after unless people think it would be better to do like CPU and RAM or RAM and motherboard. My system is posted below I game at 1080p but use the NVidia 3d settings to bump it up with DSR if that's is needed information. Price range £400-£500

Intel Core i5-6500 3.20GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail
Asus H110M-K Intel H110 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard
Geforce GTX 1070 ROG Strix GPU
Team Group Elite 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black
Cougar GX-S 550W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
 
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mattyfez said:
If you're gaming at 1080p, then it's hard to suggest a pc hardware upgrade.

Maybe a g sync 1440 monitor would be a better way to spend the money.

Edited, I confused free sync and G sync.
A 1070 is kinda over kill for standard 1080p, so a fancier monitor might be a better option.
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Ok but if i got lets say a 144hz 1440p what frames would you think id be hitting would i be able to hit the 144fps on medium/high settings. The upgrade in monitor intrests me and maybe swap the ram for 16gb at 2400mhz as that is all my motherboard handles as i cant run xmp mode with it
 
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Looks good, the only put off for me with a monitor is that i have my ps4 pro connected by hdmi and my pc by DP. If i got a 1440p gysnc monitor its kinda wasted for my pro as the option to choose 1440p on the ps4 isnt available only 2160p so would still only be gaming at 1080p on my ps4 pro :/
 
?? Anyone got any other suggestions been told in other threads because I use Nvidia DSR it pointless buying a monitor as there wouldn't be much noticeable difference appearance wise. So should I upgrade components on my pc
 
mattyfez said:
Well you'll have more pixels /higher DPI for a start, DSR seems to be a bit of a 'meh' feature if you read around. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3501799/1080p-screen-nvidia-dri.html
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Hmm I can tell the difference when I'm using it and it looks nice to me. I'm more concerned on how my pc runs tbh. I know the motherboard I have in is cheap would like one where I could overclock my CPU which also means changing my i5 6500 as it isn't a k version then I could overclock my GPU so I getting all them little gains. I might have to borrow a 1440p monitor from somewhere and see if I can see a difference in how it runs
 
mattyfez said:
Well I think we've run through all the options, so ultimately it's up to you.
Personally I'd go for a higher resolution monitor as opposed to dsr, which seems to be a fancy anti aliasing mode with its own resource overhead, and as the 1070 is overkill for 1080 res.

Your chip isn't readily overclockable so you'd want a new chip and mobo, but if you are still gonna run it at 1080p then I'd say its a waste of money. Just my opinion.
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No your opinion is what I want, it's just I play bf1 and with my CPU at the minute I'm hitting 100% all the time also spikes to that on start up(is this normal) so just wondered if I needed a better one
 
mattyfez said:
It's a cpu hungry game, what framerate are you currently getting and what are your temperatures like?

You could simply drop a skylake I7 in, if you are really cpu bound. But you'd need to do some testing to find out if that's really the case.

Edit, it's totally normal for the CPU to hit 100% briefly, what you don't really want is for it to be 'red lining' for any period of time. Although, if your temperature is in checkand frame rates don't suffer , then I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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Here's an insight can change map dependant FPS can go anything from 60-90 that's at 1080p, 125% res scale ultra settings while in game, but because my CPU is hitting 100% I get stutters and freezes. Temps wise I haven't seen the CPU go above 60C.
 
Also there I'm only using 62% of my GPU so should easily get more FPS but I feel as though the CPU is bottlenecking it am I correct? How would I know if it is 'red lining'
 
mattyfez said:
Yeh I'd say so, that paints a better picture, although there's a contradiction there, if fps doesn't dip below 60 fps it doesn't explain the stuttering and freezing.

With it being an online game it could be a bad server your on, or a network/Internet lag..

Have you done any gaming /graphics oriented benchmarks to remove that from the equation?
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Well as you can see in the image it does dip down to 20-25 FPS sometimes that is on the freezes. My last game i was on a different map hitting 90 fps using 100% GPU with everything on high settings and CPU was 100%. I do have 3d benchmark if you would like me to try anything sorry I'm not very good at all this
 
mattyfez said:
I guess the cheapest fix would be to drop a better skylake /kaby I7 in.

Side point, what's your ram usage like? Are you paging a lot? Are you running off an SSD?
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Currently running firestrike stress test now. Ram wise I have 8gb 2gb of that is compressed(if this is what you mean by paging) so I only utilise 6gb when gaming. SSD wise I only have windows on it all my games are on my normal HDD.
 
mattyfez said:
If you have space on the SSD it might be worth moving the game to the SSD, just to rule out an i/o bottleneck if nothing else.

Is it only this game that's causing a problem?
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Passed at 98.7%. Yes this is the only game I have problems but it seems to be from when I changed the GPU so that's why I think its bottlenecking. Hope I don't sound stupid but what is an I/o bottleneck
 
mattyfez said:
Input /output, if the game is installed on a mechanical drive, it might be struggling to pull data off it fast enough... But it's just thought, if you have space on your ssd then I'd shift it over.
I generally keep any current favourite games installed on my SSD.
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Ok I will see what it runs like. If that doesn't fix it what do you think upgrade to a better cpu and then get a monitor for 1440p gaming? Do the results on my firestrike look normal?
 
mattyfez said:
The picture doesn't really tell much, can you run cinebench and 3d mark time spy and give the score?
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Cinebench OpenGL= 104.21 fps
Cinebench CPU= 516cb
Timespy= GPU score 5897 - Test 1= 38.18FPS - Test 2= 34.01FPS
CPU Score= 3339 -11.22FPS

@mattyfez you make anything out of these scores?
 
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So as I have stated in the battlefield 1 pc games thread my system seems to be struggling to run this game. CPU always 100% on 64man conquest as this is the main mode I play I'm wanting to sort this out. A lot have suggested to either upgrade my monitor to a 1440p display or upgrade my CPU was wondering what most people think as there hasn't been any replies for a day or so. Been looking at AMD Ryzen due to the extra threads but heard they have problems with Ram Memory not being hit with certain boards anything else they struggle with. I'll up my budget to around £900 to sort my system out and just for quick reference here is my build again used on a 1080p monitor which I would like to upgrade at some point but would like to sort out other components first.

Intel Core i5-6500 3.20GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail
Asus H110M-K Intel H110 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard
Geforce GTX 1070 ROG Strix GPU
Team Group Elite 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black
Cougar GX-S 550W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply

How about this?? Not sure which CPU to go for e.g 1500,1600,1600x or 1700, also found a 1440p monitor to go with it. Would the ram I have be suitable for it and add 8GB more or better off selling the ram and buying some new 16GB at faster speed. Also would need a cooler for it if people would like to input on that
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Can the gurus give insight on this upgrade for my pc please not sure what motherboard will go best with the CPU and RAM also it states on CPU cooler to check that the original backplate of motherboard is included??? Would my PSU I already have be ok or would I need a higher Watt? To be run with a GTX 1070 already have windows SSD and HDD.
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