monitor calibration software

Adrian - so if i were to buy a calibrator for the u2410 would you recommend the lacie one? Are there any others that would work too that are less money for example?

The Blue Eye Pro package will likely give you the best results for a one stop shop. Anything to give better results would cost more money, the benefits of which would be lost on a U2410 (Please don't think I'm being a monitor snob! Just no point you wasting extra money for no benefit :)).
 
Adrian,

Thx for the clarification. The actual setup I have is that I use the LaCie Blue EyePro software with the X-Rite version of the i1 Display 2. In the LaCie software there is an option to select this calibrator.

In your opinion, will this give a reasonable calibration for office and home use to a standard just below that required for accurate photographic work.


Rgds
Binty

Absolutely :)
 
I cannot find it either. I am near Croydon in Surrey.


Rgds
Binty

Ooh I'm not far - right next to Gatwick Airport. I might buy one of these though since apparently you need to recalibrate regularly. Just seems a lot to spend 300 pounds on it though :(
 
Ooh I'm not far - right next to Gatwick Airport. I might buy one of these though since apparently you need to recalibrate regularly. Just seems a lot to spend 300 pounds on it though :(

Would you get £300 worth of return out of it through business? If not then don't buy it, because unless you need colour management, there's very little point to it! Maybe you would be better off with just the standard i1 Display LT package just to get you in the ballpark? It's 1/3rd the price of the Lacie BEP package.
 
Would you get £300 worth of return out of it through business? If not then don't buy it, because unless you need colour management, there's very little point to it! Maybe you would be better off with just the standard i1 Display LT package just to get you in the ballpark? It's 1/3rd the price of the Lacie BEP package.

Adrian - you make a good point. This is purely for my own pleasure. I own a mid-range DSLR (Canon 50d) with reasonably expensive lenses that all fall in the 700 pounds to 1000 pounds price range. I just figured it would be good to get my output reliably good. 300 pounds is a bit steep to be honest as I had been considering the idisplay 2 however if you think its really worth the extra I will get it. However, if you think it's not really going to add much I'll get the non-LT version of the x-rite product.

I make NO money from my photography by the way - it's a hobby.
 
Adrian,

Thx for your input to this thread, it has been very useful. I have one final question or a request for confirmation on one point.

If I install the LaCie software on my laptop then connect the laptop to an external monitor and place the calibrator on the external monitor when I carry out the calibration I assume it is the external monitor that is calibrated?

Obviously, the profile that is produced would be no good for the actual laptop default screen so if using the laptop inbuilt screen I disable the use of profiles.

Does the above sound correct?


Rgds
Binty
 
dubcat,

Buy the X-Rite i1Display 2 new from auction for £130 then see if you can source alternative software for it. This will reduce your outgoings and you will have the same hardware calibrator as the LaCie hardware calibrator.



Rgds
Binty
 
Adrian - you make a good point. This is purely for my own pleasure. I own a mid-range DSLR (Canon 50d) with reasonably expensive lenses that all fall in the 700 pounds to 1000 pounds price range. I just figured it would be good to get my output reliably good. 300 pounds is a bit steep to be honest as I had been considering the idisplay 2 however if you think its really worth the extra I will get it. However, if you think it's not really going to add much I'll get the non-LT version of the x-rite product.

I make NO money from my photography by the way - it's a hobby.

If you frequently print your work as long as you can get the software package to get your screen luminance in the right ballpark that's pretty much the biggest computer to print hurdle you have to deal with - All your prints looking too dark because every screen manufacturer insists on shipping monitors with nuclear brightness settings! I'm unsure if the Display LT package (slightly more restricted than the Display 2 package) can adjust the monitor luminance, so double check and if not plump for the slightly more expensive (by about £30 IIRC) i1 Display 2 package :)
 
Adrian and Bint - thanks a lot. I'm feeling much better about things now i the i1Display2 is actually usable on my monitor. I just read in a few places it didn't support wide gamut and therefore was not worth getting.

Bint - thanks for the tip mate. I'll search for the alternate software... not had much luck so far.
 
Adrian,

Thx for your input to this thread, it has been very useful. I have one final question or a request for confirmation on one point.

If I install the LaCie software on my laptop then connect the laptop to an external monitor and place the calibrator on the external monitor when I carry out the calibration I assume it is the external monitor that is calibrated?

Obviously, the profile that is produced would be no good for the actual laptop default screen so if using the laptop inbuilt screen I disable the use of profiles.

Does the above sound correct?


Rgds
Binty

When you do this the software will adjust the LUT on your graphics card for the external display (Call it Display 2). Which OS will you be using because each handles it in slightly different ways?
 
Btw guys - a chap on another forum is recommending ColorMunki over i1Display2 and any of the Spyders, specifically when using with the U2410. I mentioned to him that I don't need print profiling but he says that is just a nice side effect and that ColorMunki is the better way to go. I will try to find out why he is saying this...
 
I think he is recommending colormunki because it is a spectrophotometer rather than a coloromiter. None of that makes any sense to me though - it's just based on forum researching i'm doing.

Adrian?
 
I think he is recommending colormunki because it is a spectrophotometer rather than a coloromiter. None of that makes any sense to me though - it's just based on forum researching i'm doing.

Adrian?

That is most likely the reasoning behind his reccomendation - It's a sound one but as mentioned earlier, the cost/benefit to someone who doesn't require a color managed workflow doesn't really weigh up. It's more expensive than the Blue Eye Pro package!
 
The OS is Windows 7


Rgds
Binty

Windows 7 has a built in LUT loader (you will have one modified LUT - Look up table - per screen as part of the Color Management app).

http://7fttallrussian.livejournal.com/56769.html Here explains it.

When using BEP just drag the window to your external and it should recognise that is it now calibrating a different display. Name the created profile something specific to the external display so you can easily distinguish profiles created for the laptop screen and those created for the external.
 
Do you have an opinion on the free argyll software
http://www.argyllcms.com/doc/Scenarios.html
http://www.marcelpatek.com/argyll.html
I have been using this in conjunction with and I1 LT (apparently the same sensor
as I1 2 -> http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11436)
visually results seem similar to the i1 match software that comes with I1.

I have not tried either color eyes / basic color / blue eye software
equally have not found any significant comparison between results that can be achieved with these packages to justify the expense.
(only ref http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t15947.html)

Also an unsatisfactory part of the flow - maybe you have advice - is that if the calibration shows a large max delta
(on BE s/w seems to have potential of showing which colours are poorly matched) what is best approach is for adjusting
monitor controls eg independant R/G/B gain to improve results.

Cheers, Paul
 
Sorry jpaul I have no experience with the Argyll software. With regards to results achieved by Color Eyes, BasICColor or Blue Eye Pro they will always be largely subjective. If CEDP creates a perfect profile to print match for 9/10 people but Blue Eye has the better match for the remaining one, then to that last person Blue Eye is the better program, regardless of whether or not it was whack for the other 9.

The justification in the expense largely comes from the technological backing and support programs like CEDP and BasICColor benefit from (They were the same program at one point before parting ways). The support is fantastic and they're trusted and recommended by industry top brass for being the best. It's pretty much worth the cost difference on it's own if you can't think of another reason. CEDP for me is worth it purely because of how easy it is to use, and how brilliantly it handles multi-monitor set-ups. Subjectively I get similar results with that, BasICColor and Color Navigator, but I use Color Navigator with my screen because it's made by the same people and intergrates seamlessly into my workflow.

If your report shows a large max delta E it could be down to a number of reasons, but the key here is to use your eyes (as obvious as it sounds - no condescending tone meant at all by the way!). If it reports a large max delta E and your screen looks wrong then something somewhere isn't working. If it reports a large delta E for a given patch and your screen looks correct then chances are the monitor and/or colorimeter just have trouble with that one particular tone. Unfortunately beyond trying multiple programs or fiddling with your RGB adjustments via the osd, there is very little you can do to correct a single anomoly.

Also remember that how a lot (I would say most because I would presume hardware DDC monitors are in the minority - Eizo, Quato, etc) of people calibrate is by adjusting the LUT of the graphics card to hit certain targets. When you do this you're essentially throwing away tones to correct others. The more you have to adjust the LUT to compensate for the screen the poorer the resulting profile will be. It's not just about colours, it's about smooth gradients (no banding or rogue colours), shadow and highlight detail, correct luminance, etc.
 
What are the latest recommended programs to calibrate a monitor for desktop purposes?

I am happy where I am with video playback (DispcalGUI/Argyll for 3D LUT creation, HCFR to check the calibration, mpc-hc with madVR for playback). I would now like to sort out my desktop monitor for other uses, including photos and gaming.

Are there any good open source programs, or is the recommended low cost route to use the bundled software with the meter, with the better option to try BasICColor?
 
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