I have a 3900x in a besilent 600 case with the stock fans and a scythe mugen 5 pcgh CPU cooler on the CPU. I run boinc and f@h on the system so want to increase my cooling as it obviously gets quite warm. My question is should I move to water cooling with an aio or increase the fans in my case? I'm quite noise sensitive so would be looking at noctua or the like for the fans or if going to water cooling i'd want something quiet. What do you recommend?
More air fans or go to an aio?
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If you are happy with your Mugen5 then I can't see any reason to change it, it is a very capable cooler and any change would only see a couple of degrees improvement if that.
I think your case is probably a BeQuiet 600 in which case they come as standard with 1 x Pure Wings 2 140mm as front intake and 1 x Pure Wings 2 120mm as rear exhaust, and so there will be definate room for improvement there in terms of quality and number of fans. The Pure Wings fans are the entry level in BeQuiets range and whilst they are OK you can do better, I had 2 on my BeQuiet 240mm AIO which I recently replaced with Artctic P12 PWM PST fans and the difference in cooling efficiency at lower noise levels is remarkable.
Thanks to forum member EsaT for finding the video below which I hope you find useful. From personal experience I can certainly reccomend the Arctic P14 PWM & P12 PWM fans, they can be purchased in 5 packs which make them even cheaper and the PST version allows you to daisy chain 2 or more together so they can share the same fan header.
Once you have purchased your new fans I would reccomend buying a cheap indoor / outdoor digital thermometer the type with a wire probe (less than £10) so that you can accurately measure the temperatures in different parts of your case. You can then experiment with different fan configurations, orientations and speeds to find out what works best for you. The most important part being the temperature of the air going into your CPU cooler which you want to try to get as low as possible (2-3 degrees warmer than ambient room temperature).
I think your case is probably a BeQuiet 600 in which case they come as standard with 1 x Pure Wings 2 140mm as front intake and 1 x Pure Wings 2 120mm as rear exhaust, and so there will be definate room for improvement there in terms of quality and number of fans. The Pure Wings fans are the entry level in BeQuiets range and whilst they are OK you can do better, I had 2 on my BeQuiet 240mm AIO which I recently replaced with Artctic P12 PWM PST fans and the difference in cooling efficiency at lower noise levels is remarkable.
Thanks to forum member EsaT for finding the video below which I hope you find useful. From personal experience I can certainly reccomend the Arctic P14 PWM & P12 PWM fans, they can be purchased in 5 packs which make them even cheaper and the PST version allows you to daisy chain 2 or more together so they can share the same fan header.
Once you have purchased your new fans I would reccomend buying a cheap indoor / outdoor digital thermometer the type with a wire probe (less than £10) so that you can accurately measure the temperatures in different parts of your case. You can then experiment with different fan configurations, orientations and speeds to find out what works best for you. The most important part being the temperature of the air going into your CPU cooler which you want to try to get as low as possible (2-3 degrees warmer than ambient room temperature).
Changing its fans to more pressure optimized Arctic P12 PWMs would likely improve cooling per noise.
Also Scythe uses Intel optimized convex base.
For Intel's usually concavish heat spreader and centered heat source that's better than flat base.
But AMD has flattish, or even tiny bit convex heatspreader.
That makes area of good contact easily rather small.
Also Zen2 has off center heat output with chiplets positioned around center of the package.
Hence "lapping"/grinding cooler's base flat could improve cooling performance by improving heat transfer from CPU to cooler.
That's very major difference in quality of contact:
https://www.igorslab.de/en/kuehlerb...amd-and-conkav-reader-test-and-picture-story/
https://www.igorslab.de/en/kuehlerb...-and-conkav-reader-test-and-picture-story/20/
Whilst it's undeniable that Scythe have used convex bases on some of their coolers I don't know that this is the case for all of them. The review below of the Mugen 5 ARGB was done on a 3800X and states "First and foremost, judging from the photos in that review, and in comparison with some other Scythe coolers I have here, Scythe has improved the surfacing on the base plate of the cooler. The Mugen 5 has the flattest and smoothest Scythe contact plate I’ve seen." so it's possible Scythe are only using convex bases on some of their coolers, as I believe Thermalright do also. It would certainly be worth asking Scythe the question before considering lapping the base plate.
https://pcper.com/2020/03/scythe-mugen-5-argb-plus-cpu-cooler-review/
https://pcper.com/2020/03/scythe-mugen-5-argb-plus-cpu-cooler-review/
Year ago sold Mugen 5 certainly had convex base.
Tweaktown's review of Fuma 2 in fall also mentione convex base.
But it's possible that Scythe has changed base flat since then.
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Stop doing F@H will reduce the temps lol
Thanks for all the suggestions guys I think I'll get some of those Arctic P12 fans on my hs and also use them to replace the case fans. I can't see them in stock at ocuk so are you allowed to suggest where I get them from?
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What is your case fan setup? Mugen 5 PCGH has slow fans, so a faster fan may be all you need. But if case isn't flowng cool air to cooler that is first thing we need to address. Link below is to basic guild to how airflow works and how to optimize case airflow. It might help you figure out the problems.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...-i-put-my-temp-sensor.18564223/#post-26159770
I just have all default fans in the setup at present so it seems my case fans are a bit slow which I believe will be making the air getting to my hsf not as cool as it should be. I'll get hold of a thermometer to check temps throughout although from @PieEater comments it looks like I may need to change the case fans as the front fan is definitely behind a dust shield so may not be providing the cool air I need for my hsf inlet. I have no drives in the drive bays so can install an additional 140 mm fan there as well so I'm thinking 2 X arctic p14 in the front of my case to increase the airflow into it and leave the rear fan for the moment as this change should move me to positive pressure I believe.
Just for reference Ryzen master is reporting my temps as about 85 degrees under full load
Just for reference Ryzen master is reporting my temps as about 85 degrees under full load
be quiet! Silent Base 600 comes with Pure Wings 2 fans with only 0.76mmH2O rating, so even at full speed they struggle to move air through grill and filter. Arctic P series seem to be a decent fan. Some of first buyers who got their P series about 1.5 years ago have reported a few making bearing noise. So even if they don't last as long as others the price they can be replaced 2 or 3 times and still cost less than a top tier fan costds.
I suggest 2x 140mm front and 1x 140mm bottom intakes, block all opening in front half of case not covered by these intakes so the air they push into case has to flow through case and out, not leak around fans and go in circles. I would remove all PCIe back slot covers to increase rear vent area for better front to back airflow so lower temps with lower fan speed so quieter. No need for exhasut fans at all. Their increased noise level means when fans are slowed down to same noise level as with no exhaust fans system is same temp. If you search around you can find 5-packs of Arctic P14 for as little as twenty two quid, so you would have a couple spares to play with or save.
I suggest 2x 140mm front and 1x 140mm bottom intakes, block all opening in front half of case not covered by these intakes so the air they push into case has to flow through case and out, not leak around fans and go in circles. I would remove all PCIe back slot covers to increase rear vent area for better front to back airflow so lower temps with lower fan speed so quieter. No need for exhasut fans at all. Their increased noise level means when fans are slowed down to same noise level as with no exhaust fans system is same temp. If you search around you can find 5-packs of Arctic P14 for as little as twenty two quid, so you would have a couple spares to play with or save.