Most borderline NIP ever?
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Whoever was driving was responsible for driving at that speed, but not responsible for every accident that has ever happened (or indeed, any of them).Spoken like a man who just got caught speeding and refuses to take responsibility…
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You said it was you in the first post. The limit is the law - if you want said law changed, go and be a politician and stop crying about it on here.
You don’t have to cause an accident due to your actions to deserve punishment.
Are you really still here trying to defend driving like a knob?
Do remember that if drivers could control their ego enough to keep to the speed limit, that speed cameras would never catch anyone, they would generate no funding and soon be removed.
Hence, it is knob-like driving that inflicts speed cameras on the rest of us that DO have some self control. In short, being dumb doesn't affect just you, it impacts on all of us. Stop it!
You'll tell us next that you voted for Brexit and support Farage.
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Ha! If 79 on a motorway is "driving like a knob", then guilty I guess. Funny how if you stick at 70 people seem to tailgate you more as though they think you're the one driving like a knob!
Not sure what my politics have to do with it, but no, I was very much on the remain side, even got politically involved with the Lib Dems after brexit as I very much opposed it
No sympathy for OP really, but I believe ACPO guidelines, and they are just guidelines, are, 10%+2mph.
As an aside, I regularly set the cruise control at 70mph and at times it feels like, other than trucks and coaches, I’m the slowest car on the road. It never felt like that twenty years ago.
As an aside, I regularly set the cruise control at 70mph and at times it feels like, other than trucks and coaches, I’m the slowest car on the road. It never felt like that twenty years ago.
Yeah, basically why I set it at 76. I'm quite convinced that constantly changing lanes (as lorries want to be in the middle lane, nobody in the outside lane wants to go as slow as 70, there are often drivers doing 60-65 in the middle lane when there isn't a lorry), is actually more dangerous than speeding by 10%.
I'm sure the course will give me a new outlook on life however.
I certainly "take responsibility" for my speed causing me to get a penalty, I just don't feel repentant about it, or responsible for accidents caused by others, or agree that I was driving dangerously, as others seem to feel.
At least when someone driving like a knob at 79 overtakes you, you get to take a long hard look at them, so that they think about their life choices, in the 5 minutes it takes them to overtake
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I look forward to the OP’s upcoming thread where he complains about getting caught speeding again and gets points with a fine because he refuses to accept that he isn’t above the law.
I've been driving for 18y, and have attended one course like 10y ago, and it's obviously 12 points to lose my license, so I think I'm good!
So you didn't actually learn your lesson the first time then.
The lesson is obviously "there is a £10/yr surcharge on driving", which given that I save £14 each day I drive to work rather than take the train, is pretty cheap.
The M5 was closed earlier, it might still be, single vehicle accident involving a BMW, two 40 something year old adults and one teenager dead, with another kid in hospital. I assume that is a family. Be interesting to see if that was due to speeding or not.
Some people will never learn unfortunately until the worst happens.
Some people will never learn unfortunately until the worst happens.
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The best part is that it’s an optional payment. Not sure why you’d choose to throw money away.
It would. Not sure we'll ever find out though, they tend to reduce these to "a police incident" etc.
In 2022, exceeding the speed limit was reported as a contributory factor in 7% of accidents. ( https://www.itf-oecd.org/sites/default/files/united-kingdom-road-safety.pdf ). It seems that motorway specific data is hard to find, but motorways have been shown to have higher rates of collisions caused by inattentiveness, tiredness, and fatigue ( https://www.brake.org.uk/get-involved/take-action/mybrake/knowledge-centre/driver-fatigue ), which would imply other causes (e.g. speeding) were a smaller contributor.
In any case, I'm confident I didn't cause any accidents.
I do wonder, if I had an accident at 69, and someone died, would it be entirely forgivable? If I had the same accident, but at 71, it would be a terrible atrocity? Obviously we intend for nobody to die, but my feeling of "that could have been me!!" is no greater when I hear of an accident knowing I drove at 69 than it is at 76.
After all, the speed limit is black and white, as everyone here has told me. If you're driving at an indicated 70, there is every chance you're actually driving at 70.4mph, and breaking the law, just the same as someone doing 104mph. Everyone should only drive at a displayed 69.
I guess it's a bit like the uber eats "priority delivery". Every 10y I might have to pay £10, but in the mean time I get there a bit quicker.
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The fact you managed to speed without realising is not great. Probably better to not start down the 'why aren't they catching burglars' angle and all that...
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Has it ever occurred to you to question your own mindset, and why you probably spend all of your time thinking that you’re right, even when challenged?
It’s really not a healthy way to be mentally, as it reduces your ability to revise your thinking and respond to changes during your lifespan.
Even if you’re really good at something, claiming to be right all the time prevents you becoming even better. A little humility and the capability to say “sorry, made a mess of that” (and mean it), really does pay dividends.
Has it ever occurred to you to question your own mindset, and why you probably spend all of your time thinking that you’re right, even when challenged?
It’s really not a healthy way to be mentally, as it reduces your ability to revise your thinking and respond to changes during your lifespan.
Even if you’re really good at something, claiming to be right all the time prevents you becoming even better. A little humility and the capability to say “sorry, made a mess of that” (and mean it), really does pay dividends.
One thing we don't know is conditions - if it was raining, etc. they are much more likely to do people for over 70, etc.
I've not really seen much change over the years on the motorways myself - has always been a pretty much even split between people doing up to 70 and those who sit at 80 with a small number doing silly speeds. The biggest difference I see is the change in how many people aren't paying attention, also some changes in things like lane hogging but that is partly due to traffic density changes.
I really don't feel you have enough evidence to judge my entire personality from this thread.
I'm most definitely not right in all circumstances, about everything!
One of us (possibly me, but I don't remember exceeding 76) definitely did 79 on the motorway. Oh well, I've done worse!!
It's a <£100 speeding awareness course at the end of the day, not a particular issue or struggle. Who am I supposed to say sorry to, or display humility to? The people on this thread who wouldn't even know of my crime, had I not told them?
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Surely you appreciate that the police have to draw the line somewhere though, when it comes to speed limits?
You may disagree with the law. There are lots of laws I disagree with. However, it is the law, and they do give you a reasonable bit of leeway in terms of the speed limit.
Yeah, obviously there is a discrete limit.
I think it's ok for me to be like "aww, so close!!!" when getting caught right on that limit. Just like football fans when the ball bounces off the post. Not like I'm crying about it!
Honestly I thought 10%+2 was the leeway (hence setting CC to 76), and 10%+3 was where they enforced from, hence was surprised to see a NIP for 79 in a 70.
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