Which model I might have missed you mentioning it. Just get it, great bikes.
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The new EMTB as frame only would be incredible but worst case I could get the cheapest and transfer the goodies over.
You might have a bit of a wait for the frame only version.
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Tbh I prefer my zeb on the park bike than the fox 38s on the others so the mid price bike may be a good purchase with minimal parts needed to swap over.
The Red Bull Hardline Tasmania build up starts this week, with the event next Sunday. Most of the riders have been at Cardrona bike park in New Zealand this past week training. Ronan Dunne did about 200 laps 
It's always good bike entertainment on event build up.
It's always good bike entertainment on event build up.
They confirmed on FB that a frame only is in the plans but not for a release this year. Honestly - just buy a bike with a build a kit, and sell what you don't want.
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I was thinking the same
I know that's why I said there will be a wait. Selling stuff is a right faff though.The Red Bull Hardline Tasmania build up starts this week, with the event next Sunday. Most of the riders have been at Cardrona bike park in New Zealand this past week training. Ronan Dunne did about 200 laps
It's always good bike entertainment on event build up.
They confirmed on FB that a frame only is in the plans but not for a release this year. Honestly - just buy a bike with a build a kit, and sell what you don't want.
Presume I'll get to try one at the owners day this year.
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Question on suspension sag for eMTB's : On the TF tuned website it states you need to take into account the weight of the motor and battery when determining rear shock sag. Which in my case is an additional 7.4kg over my own weight.
Seems strange to include the motor & battery weight and nothing else on the bike though?
Asking because I'm trying to determine my coil spring weight and another 7+ KG's makes a difference on which weight spring I need to get.
The TF Tuned website link : https://www.tftuned.com/spring-calc...RluoAj5KX_eaWkGr5WONyeACMSXeRcD123NGk5WmFZH2Y
Seems strange to include the motor & battery weight and nothing else on the bike though?
Asking because I'm trying to determine my coil spring weight and another 7+ KG's makes a difference on which weight spring I need to get.
The TF Tuned website link : https://www.tftuned.com/spring-calc...RluoAj5KX_eaWkGr5WONyeACMSXeRcD123NGk5WmFZH2Y
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I presume they say that's as that's where the majority of the bikes sprung weight is.
Just read through the last couple of pages about ebikes. They are great and definatley have their use and place etc but anybody claiming you get the same workout as a normal bike is kidding themselves or slowly got less fit due to riding an ebikes
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A friend of mine just got an ebike and in his first ride on it he's gone from being the guy at the back of the pack blowing out of his arse to powering up climbs barely breaking a sweat.
Just read through the last couple of pages about ebikes. They are great and definatley have their use and place etc but anybody claiming you get the same workout as a normal bike is kidding themselves or slowly got less fit due to riding an ebikes
.A friend of mine just got an ebike and in his first ride on it he's gone from being the guy at the back of the pack blowing out of his arse to powering up climbs barely breaking a sweat.
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I presume they say that's as that's where the majority of the bikes sprung weight is.
Just read through the last couple of pages about ebikes. They are great and definatley have their use and place etc but anybody claiming you get the same workout as a normal bike is kidding themselves or slowly got less fit due to riding an ebikes
A friend of mine just got an ebike and in his first ride on it he's gone from being the guy at the back of the pack blowing out of his arse to powering up climbs barely breaking a sweat.
Yeah. Your just not doing the maths though.if I burn 1000kcals on an ebike and 1000kcal on a mtb. Im using the same energy overall.
I just whack the level down if I want to workout a bit more. But youll get further with the same energy used.
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That's true, you can blast more runs out or do more loops etc which is great.
My mates looking at it from the perspective off "it used used to take me 2 hours to do the loop, now I can do it it 45mins" though
Ill generally do the same time, more laps, more fun, loads of zone 2 training. Win win.
What if he did 3 laps to everyone else's 1 lap! This is where you get the benefit - more laps & fun in the same timeThey are great and definatley have their use and place etc but anybody claiming you get the same workout as a normal bike is kidding themselves or slowly got less fit due to riding an ebikes
A friend of mine just got an ebike and in his first ride on it he's gone from being the guy at the back of the pack blowing out of his arse to powering up climbs barely breaking a sweat.
For sure if an eBike rider is riding with a group of analogue pedal riders then the effort will be much less, as very likely they will be waiting several minutes at the end of each section for the other riders to catch up
Ride with a group of other ebike riders and the overall effort is at least the same, if not more. My arms and body after an EMTB ride out are much more battered up, because you are going faster more of the time. Those uphill steps/jumps you thought were useless on a pedal bike struggling to hold 4mph, suddenly become fun an eMTB at 15mph e.g. 3 laps of Cannock Chase (FtD and monkey) on an ETMB is much more effort than riding just 1 lap on a pedal bike. I know this to be true, because I did 17 years riding there on a standard pedal MTB (XC and Enduro) and now 2 years riding EMTB's.
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Use J-Tech's calc for spring rate. Separate fields for bike weight and rider weight. Also different type shocks make a big difference.
if your bike has published kinematic data and you know the leverage ratio at sag you can be more accurate.
Spring Calculator
MTB Service center, Ohlins, Cane Creek, Rockshox, Fox, Marzocchi, Manitou, Bos, X-Fusion, DVO
j-techsuspension.co.uk
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I dont get the ebike haters.
Rode Afan yesterday and BPW today. 42 miles with 7000ft climbing in 2 days.
Would never manage that under my own steam. Its not just about fitness for me Its about fun and any time in the saddle is learning and improving.
Rode Afan yesterday and BPW today. 42 miles with 7000ft climbing in 2 days.
Would never manage that under my own steam. Its not just about fitness for me Its about fun and any time in the saddle is learning and improving.
They are working off an average weight for a standard bike and the 5-7kg is a reasonable average to add-on for an ebike.
All good baseline estimates, but other calculators will give you greater control as they allow for more detailed inputs such as rider weight, bike weight, weight bias, riding style - such as the one CrainN linked and the one on RideFox.
If you are between coils, try other calculators but ultimately... coil can be hard to figure out, based on the fixed increments. And you have to factor in that most of the commonly-available springs will have a high degree of variance from their stated rate.
In most instances, it can be worth getting a Sprindex and playing about with that to get your sag right, then move to a 'fixed' coil from your chosen manufacturer.
Also, if this is for your Rail... consider whether your frame likes a coil. Older generations of Rail were not suitable and in some cases, shocks would touch the frame.
I've got a Vivid Coil Ultimate - it fits the Rail fine.
Thanks for the calculator links and advice : I'll start with a 500lb spring and see how that rides
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