Mr Thompson and Counter Strike

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Probably a really old article but I just found it to be really interesting and slightly disturbing..

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In April 2007, only hours after the Virginia Tech shooting (and before Seung-Hui Cho was actually identified), Thompson predicted that the shooter had trained on the game Counter-Strike.[38] According to Thompson, the game "drills you and gives you scenarios on how to kill them [and] gets you to kill them with your heart rate lower." He says that Seung-Hui "was in a hyper-reality situation in virtual reality." Though Seung-Hui had last been known to have played Counter-Strike in high school, four years prior to the shooting, Thompson asserts that "you don't drop it when you go to college, typically." Thompson disputed Seung-Hui's roommate's claim that Seung-Hui only used his computer to write fiction, on the grounds that "Cho was able to go room to room calmly, efficiently, coolly killing people."[100] Prior to being identified, Thompson attributed the "flat effect[sic] on [Seung-Hui's] face" and the efficiency of his attack to video game rehearsals of the shooting.[101] However, a search warrant released, listing the items found in Cho's dorm room, did not contain any video games, and a Washington Post story cited by Thompson later removed a paragraph stating that Seung-Hui enjoyed violent video games in high school. Thompson continued to maintain that "this is not rocket science. When a kid who has never killed anyone in his life goes on a rampage and looks like the Terminator, he's a video gamer." Thompson also sent a letter to Bill Gates, saying, "Mr. Gates, your company is potentially legally liable (for) the harm done at Virginia Tech. Your game, a killing simulator, according to the news that used to be in the Post, trained him to enjoy killing and how to kill." However, Microsoft did not create Counter-Strike - they only published the Xbox version of the game.[38] The official Virginia state panel commissioned to investigate the shooting determined that Seung-Hui "played video games like Sonic the Hedgehog," and that "none of the video games [he had played] were war games or had violent themes."[102]

On February 15, 2008, Jack Thompson claimed that the actions of Steven Kazmierczak, who killed five people at Northern Illinois University before committing suicide, were influenced by the game Counter-Strike.[103] In a subsequent news release, Thompson claimed that "We have a nation of Manchurian Candidate video gamers out there who are ready, willing, and able to massacre, and some of them will."[104] Thompson also threatened the university with a lawsuit if the school did not provide copies of "all documents that reveal [Kazmierczak's] play of violent videogames."[105]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson_(attorney)

EDIT: Added video - http://youtube.com/watch?v=sd0pbuhsQQE
 
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Both were debunked and thrown out, he is now facing a disciplinary commision and risks losing his license. He is being investigated under 27 charges of misconduct and criminal behaviour.
 
wow never seen that article before. Cant believe he thought Microsoft made counter strike :p should really get his facts straight.
 
This guy is a living legend. Of course counter-strike has turned me into a mindless Terminator. I became "self aware" 20 mins ago, but I made the bathroom just in time.
 
According to Thompson, the game "drills you and gives you scenarios on how to kill them [and] gets you to kill them with your heart rate lower." ... "Cho was able to go room to room calmly, efficiently, coolly killing people."
Surely this happens due to wires in your brain getting crossed, not "training yourself" on games.
 
Surely this happens due to wires in your brain getting crossed, not "training yourself" on games.

How do you think special forces/military accomplish it, training, no?

But, imo someone like Steven Kazmierczak does have wires crossed, regardless of what (if any) training he did.
 
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How do you think special forces/military accomplish it, training, no?
I've known a few soldiers, they always say killing is not that easy. That it takes someone with serious problems to be in a combat situation or to kill somebody without feeling anything at all.

Not to mention that the investigation showed the guy didn't even play these games.
 
My point was, military training, is designed to make killers out of men. They don't go out and try to recruit all the psychos that are ready to snap. Killing effeciently is something that can be learned. I'm not saying it is the case with Steven Kazmierczak and I'm not saying it is the case with every soldier.
 
My point was, military training, is designed to make killers out of men. They don't go out and try to recruit all the psychos that are ready to snap. Killing effeciently is something that can be learned. I'm not saying it is the case with Steven Kazmierczak and I'm not saying it is the case with every soldier.
In that case you're going to have to show me how military training, which is extremely specialised and has been perfected over thousands of years for its purpose, is even remotely similar to playing violent video games. I would also like to see what percentage of soldiers who have been through their training end up snapping, and murdering people when they return to civilian life.

I eagerly await your response as you, in all your enlightened splendour, single-handedly prove violent video games to be a menace to society. That they can turn so many seemingly normal kids to turn into homicidal maniacs.

Because, after all, it's way too far out of the box to consider that the cause might be a whole range of things from pressure at school, pressure from parents, peer-pressure, underlying psychological disorders, struggles in terms of social status, etc. etc. No, it's easier to just handwave all that away and blame video games.
 
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How do you think special forces/military accomplish it, training, no?

They accomplish it by practicing with real weapons and in replicated situations, with realistic return fire.

Jack has also claimed that halo trained a teenager to snipe accurately. A video game may desensitize you to death a little, but it will not teach you how to handle a weapon, how to move how to handle recoil how to aim and many other things. Only real practice will.

Surely this happens due to wires in your brain getting crossed, not "training yourself" on games.

Mental scenarios he will have done in his room/the campus will have done far more to get him used to the idea than games.
 
In that case you're going to have to show me how military training, which is extremely specialised and has been perfected over thousands of years for its purpose, is even remotely similar to playing violent video games. I would also like to see what percentage of soldiers who have been through their training end up snapping, and murdering people when they return to civilian life.

I eagerly await your response as you, in all your enlightened splendour, single-handedly prove violent video games to be a menace to society. That they can turn so many seemingly normal kids to turn into homicidal maniacs.

Because, after all, it's way too far out of the box to consider that the cause might be a whole range of things from pressure at school, pressure from parents, peer-pressure, underlying psychological disorders, struggles in terms of social status, etc. etc. No, it's easier to just handwave all that away and blame video games.
First up, I didnt say military training is similar to playing video games, try reading before you start flaming. Neither did I say that video games are a menace to society so why would I try to prove it to you.
When I said how do you think special forces accomplish IT, I was referring to the ability to calmly carry out orders under heavy stress such as killing and clearing buildings, which is a similar scenario to Steven Kazmierczak's movements at the Virginia Tech incident. This should have been obvious as it was the subject of the posts precious to mine.
 
which is a similar scenario to Steven Kazmierczak's movements at the Virginia Tech incident./QUOTE]

Not that similar he didn't have to worry about people shooting back. Easier to be calm when you're the only one with a gun, and you intend to die at the end of it.
 
I've been shooting people in the face with an M4 shotgun over the last 7 years on CS and CS:S, my shots are roughly 70% accurate and there are the odd occasions where I kill an entire team of Counter-Terrorist members whilst on a rampage.

Am I going to kill you next?

:rolleyes:
 
First up, I didnt say military training is similar to playing video games, try reading before you start flaming. Neither did I say that video games are a menace to society so why would I try to prove it to you.
When I said how do you think special forces accomplish IT, I was referring to the ability to calmly carry out orders under heavy stress such as killing and clearing buildings, which is a similar scenario to Steven Kazmierczak's movements at the Virginia Tech incident. This should have been obvious as it was the subject of the posts precious to mine.
No, you said military training is "designed to make killers out of men" and then somehow, for reasons totally beyond my comprehension, connected that with shooting people in video games. Military training is designed to make soldiers out of men, not killers, and if you don't see the difference then that's pretty sad.

Like I said; When soldiers return to civilian life after all their training (and in many cases experience in real warfare) they aren't compulsive killers like the people who commit school shootings and murder.

Military training, video games, violent media etc. do not simply flip a switch in a person's head that turns them into a murderer. This is generally caused by underlying conditions and/or long periods of massive stress or trauma.
 
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