MSI OPTIX MAG272CQR – ghosting issue

McLeish257

McLeish257

McLeish257

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I purchased this monitor as the Reviews for it and videos for it showed it in a light of being a very good monitor.

I have had this monitor for over a year now since July 2020, when I got it I did notice Ghosting but played with some settings which reduced the ghosting to where I could still see it but it was manageable.

Until recently I had been running it with a MSI 1060 6gb I thought maybe the ghosting was something to do with the graphics card and struggling with the games.

Recently I upgraded my graphics card (6900xt) and as you would expect increased graphics settings from low to High/ultra/epic and with these settings I would expect to see the HD graphics all the time but due to there being slight ghosting it kind of blur’s the HD graphics when things move but when movement stops you can see the HD graphics again.


I know fast movement can blur the picture slightly but I am also talking about you see the slight blurry movement happen in the menu screen of World War Z, Within WWZ you have the characters in the menu screen doing some actions, when they are fairly still you can see all the detail in the clothes and face etc but when they perform an action or slight sway the fine detail is blurry.

Even when moving my view around in the game I would expect detail to be fairly crystal clear with the FPS you get with a 6900xt.


I use the display port to connect the monitor with Freesync on, I tried a HDMI cable but didn’t notice any improvement on the ghosting.

I have changed the monitors settings from fastest to Fast and normal but this hasn’t helped much, fast seems the best setting.

The web page that has the UFO’s going across the screen you can clearly see the shadow trail.


If no one has any monitor settings to try should I be looking to return the monitor for a replacement if the warranty is still valid or replace the monitor for a different one?


Many thanks for your time.

McLeish
 
It's a VA panel which is lightly the source of your issue. Not all VA panels are bad, but they generally all suffer most people find. Depends what you want out of a monitor.

Have you tried comparing yours to examples online?

Need to remember even though your GPU can output high FPS, and the monitor can keep up/ sync well, doesn't equate to the LEDs responding as quick. (Or however the LEDs work)

My VA ghosts only noticeably with very dark colours against light backgrounds, other contrasts i don't see an issue with.

Trying different gamma settings can help. If you have black correction upping that can help too. But you loose the VA advantage of deep blacks and contrast. Plus it'll wreck your colours.

If you're just playing FPS games IPS panel really is just the way to go sadly.
 
It does sound like a VA issue unfortunately, I've just replaced my VA monitor with an IPS one, and the difference is night and day - like you say, everything looks nice and crisp when it's static, but as soon as you get any kind of fast motion it gets a bit smeary. You can get used to it (I didn't consciously notice it before, but now I definitely notice the difference with my new one!)
 
Thank you for the replies, it is similar to what I have been reading but it's frustrating that some VA panels even of the same type of monitor have the issue and some don't.
I have read some other people with the same monitor as me having bad ghosting issues but didn't see resolutions for it.

I might just have to look at another monitor and focus more on an IPS panel like you said.
It's frustrating as on paper it looks to an ok monitor but as in many situations the real world results arent the same.

I did try the overdrive settings and found "Fast" the better setting than "normal" or "Fastest" but the issue is still there.

Many thanks for your responses.
 
McLeish257 said:
Thank you for the replies, it is similar to what I have been reading but it's frustrating that some VA panels even of the same type of monitor have the issue and some don't.
I have read some other people with the same monitor as me having bad ghosting issues but didn't see resolutions for it.
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Different monitors use panels from different makers and different versions designed at different times.
Occasionally even same monitor model might use different panels depending on when it was made.
But 99% of VAs have same problem of slow dark shade involving transitions.
It's basically feature of that LCD type and present even in faster panels.

IPS again has consistent response times throughout whole transition range and lacks that "black smear":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34bqY7CToHg&t=318s
 
I had ghosting quite bad but after using black stabiliser it was barely noticeable, then getting used to higher contrast and lower brightness helped even more so I am at the stage that I don’t even see it in fps games like Warzone.
 
Ian Evey said:
I had ghosting quite bad but after using black stabiliser it was barely noticeable, then getting used to higher contrast and lower brightness helped even more so I am at the stage that I don’t even see it in fps games like Warzone.
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"Black stabilizer" works by remapping image brightness curve and pushes black and dark shades to right in histogram.
Doesn't need much any of that and you don't have any high contrast over other LCDs.
It's the brightness of that 0,0,0 RGB value corresponding pixel, which has huge effect to contrast.

Let's say you have that VA monitor set for 100 nits (white) brightness, fit for dim room illumination.
And at default brightness of that black RGB value pixel is 0,04 nits.

Now with Black stabilizer enabled let's say new brightness for black RGB pixel is 0,1 nits.
Sounds still very low brightness, doesn't it?
But truth is that drops contrast to 1000:1, which is standard level for IPS.
So Black stabilizers are problematic treatment for VA's black smear problem.


Hence if you care about response times, you should simply look for monitor with actually good response times to start with.
Or you'll just end up compromising something else.
Just like HDR BS this and HDR BS that hype with those over 1000 nits brightness ads means "black" RGB pixels become grey.
Because contrast of LCD doesn't increase any when backlight brightness is pushed up.
True HDR simply needs self emissive pixel tech, or like million backlight zones, to keep black RGB value pixels genuinely black.
 
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