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liamstears

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Would like to upgrade my home WiFi and now some of my devices support 2.5g ethernet and 2.4g WiFi I want to get a router to keep up

I know I could go down the switch route but that wouldn't help with WiFi to Lan speeds

I have seen the AX89X which has two 10g ports but 1 is not a standard RJ45

Are there any alternatives that offer more than 1 2.5g+ Lan port? Or anyone aware of anything coming soon?
 
i dont fully understand you requirments
your router is only really for WAN routing so unless you have over 1 gig download speeds or your doing inter-lan routing there really isnt a need for a 10G router
for 10G wifi look for a wifi 6 access point, hang that off a 2.5/5/10G switch and you should be good
that non RJ45 port is called a SFP+ and is mainly used for fiber optic connections such as from many 1G+ ISP's
 
liamstears said:
Would like to upgrade my home WiFi and now some of my devices support 2.5g ethernet and 2.4g WiFi I want to get a router to keep up

I know I could go down the switch route but that wouldn't help with WiFi to Lan speeds

I have seen the AX89X which has two 10g ports but 1 is not a standard RJ45

Are there any alternatives that offer more than 1 2.5g+ Lan port? Or anyone aware of anything coming soon?
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I assume when you say 2.4g WiFi you mean WiFi6 which can theoretically transfer data at 2400Mbps and not 2.4GHz WiFi5 which can transfer data at 300Mbps?

If so, then the reality is that it’s mainly marketing BS. WiFi6 is still a simplex protocol so the claimed 2400Mbps is really a 1200Mbps maximum speed and that’s under PERFECT conditions. You’ll not see that sort of real-world transfer speed. Maybe 800-900Mbps in the same room and 600Mbps+ in other rooms.

So even with a 1Gbps WAN (Broadband) you’re very unlikely to see those speeds over WiFi, you’ll still be limited by the WiFi6 realities.

With regard to 10GbE ports, your best option really is a router with a 10GbE port uplinking to a 10GbE switch that you can then hang your 10GbE wired devices off. Mikrotik RB4011 router uplinked to a Mikrotik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM 10GbE switch and UniFi U6-LR access points will give you what you want. And it’s probably worth pointing out that UniFi access points only have 1GbE ports, so they obviously don’t think you need a faster port for WiFi6.
 
popeter45 said:
i dont fully understand you requirments
your router is only really for WAN routing so unless you have over 1 gig download speeds or your doing inter-lan routing there really isnt a need for a 10G router
for 10G wifi look for a wifi 6 access point, hang that off a 2.5/5/10G switch and you should be good
that non RJ45 port is called a SFP+ and is mainly used for fiber optic connections such as from many 1G+ ISP's
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WJA96 said:
I assume when you say 2.4g WiFi you mean WiFi6 which can theoretically transfer data at 2400Mbps and not 2.4GHz WiFi5 which can transfer data at 300Mbps?

If so, then the reality is that it’s mainly marketing BS. WiFi6 is still a simplex protocol so the claimed 2400Mbps is really a 1200Mbps maximum speed and that’s under PERFECT conditions. You’ll not see that sort of real-world transfer speed. Maybe 800-900Mbps in the same room and 600Mbps+ in other rooms.

So even with a 1Gbps WAN (Broadband) you’re very unlikely to see those speeds over WiFi, you’ll still be limited by the WiFi6 realities.

With regard to 10GbE ports, your best option really is a router with a 10GbE port uplinking to a 10GbE switch that you can then hang your 10GbE wired devices off. Mikrotik RB4011 router uplinked to a Mikrotik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM 10GbE switch and UniFi U6-LR access points will give you what you want. And it’s probably worth pointing out that UniFi access points only have 1GbE ports, so they obviously don’t think you need a faster port for WiFi6.
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Thank you for the reply's guys, in hindsight I certainly should have been a lot clearer on what I have and what I am looking for

Your assumption is correct I do have wifi 6 with a theoretical 2400mbps I do understand that I will not hit that in a real scenario however I wanted the Lan side to have the capability to handle more than a couple of wifi devices at full speed

I certainly don't want to go down the route mentioned above with multiple large boxes at high cost, I need a small setup for a small home and don't want the high expense of 10g capable switches

Ideally I want something that is all in 1, access point/router, wifi 6, 2 ports that support 2.5g ethernet or higher. This would be best for me as it would be compact and also wouldn't have such a high expense or require lots of extra wiring.

As for the SFP+ port, I am aware of what it is and in theory I could use it but would prefer 2 RJ45 2.5g or above ethernet ports

Thanks guys
 
The issue at the moment for such a setup is 2.5/5/10G us still considered prosumer/enterprise and in that world emphasis is on modularity, no single point of failure

Combined solutions will come eventually but for now individual router / switch is your only real option unless you go full ham with something like a Pfsence setup using a spare pc with enough pcie slots for 2.5G or 10G cards and a WiFi 6 card and that could cost quite a bit more than just going with off the shelf solutions
 
liamstears said:
Thank you for the reply's guys, in hindsight I certainly should have been a lot clearer on what I have and what I am looking for

Your assumption is correct I do have wifi 6 with a theoretical 2400mbps I do understand that I will not hit that in a real scenario however I wanted the Lan side to have the capability to handle more than a couple of wifi devices at full speed

I certainly don't want to go down the route mentioned above with multiple large boxes at high cost, I need a small setup for a small home and don't want the high expense of 10g capable switches

Ideally I want something that is all in 1, access point/router, wifi 6, 2 ports that support 2.5g ethernet or higher. This would be best for me as it would be compact and also wouldn't have such a high expense or require lots of extra wiring.

As for the SFP+ port, I am aware of what it is and in theory I could use it but would prefer 2 RJ45 2.5g or above ethernet ports

Thanks guys
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If you really have to get sucked in by the marketing wonks then the closest thing to your spec I can think of is the QNAP QHora-301W.

You really don’t need it though. From testing using the UniFi U6-LR access point you need at least 4 2x2 MiMo clients to saturate a 1Gbps ethernet port.
 
liamstears said:
Your assumption is correct I do have wifi 6 with a theoretical 2400mbps I do understand that I will not hit that in a real scenario however I wanted the Lan side to have the capability to handle more than a couple of wifi devices at full speed
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Other than transferring files, what benefit does having "wifi devices at full speed" bring, if your internet connection is the limiting factor?
 
But is the OP actually going that?

It’s one of those, if you have to ask then probably not. Few users have a NAS let alone have a use case that needs more speed.
 
liamstears said:
Thank you for the reply's guys, in hindsight I certainly should have been a lot clearer on what I have and what I am looking for

Your assumption is correct I do have wifi 6 with a theoretical 2400mbps I do understand that I will not hit that in a real scenario however I wanted the Lan side to have the capability to handle more than a couple of wifi devices at full speed

I certainly don't want to go down the route mentioned above with multiple large boxes at high cost, I need a small setup for a small home and don't want the high expense of 10g capable switches

Ideally I want something that is all in 1, access point/router, wifi 6, 2 ports that support 2.5g ethernet or higher. This would be best for me as it would be compact and also wouldn't have such a high expense or require lots of extra wiring.

As for the SFP+ port, I am aware of what it is and in theory I could use it but would prefer 2 RJ45 2.5g or above ethernet ports

Thanks guys
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I know little about networks, but over the last year my home network has evolved!

Devices that hang off my network are getting faster and faster, but my internet hasn't changed in 12 years. So now the center of my network is not my router. I have a relatively cheap router and the main box in my network in a managed high speed switch. This actually works out cheaper than a single router that has higher speed because those routers tend to be the top end and very expensive. I like the idea of using the switch as the center of the network it gives me greater flexibility. Not saying this is what you need, but maybe a shift in thinking offers an alternative to consider.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
But is the OP actually going that?

It’s one of those, if you have to ask then probably not. Few users have a NAS let alone have a use case that needs more speed.
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I do have a NAS, as well as a small web server and a home assistant ran smart home.

I want to run regular backups, file transfer and sync including large files

pp111 said:
I know little about networks, but over the last year my home network has evolved!

Devices that hang off my network are getting faster and faster, but my internet hasn't changed in 12 years. So now the center of my network is not my router. I have a relatively cheap router and the main box in my network in a managed high speed switch. This actually works out cheaper than a single router that has higher speed because those routers tend to be the top end and very expensive. I like the idea of using the switch as the center of the network it gives me greater flexibility. Not saying this is what you need, but maybe a shift in thinking offers an alternative to consider.
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Thanks for the reply, I have been considering all the options but my main problem is lack of space, I don't have a dedicated area to run networking equipment or believe me I'd have a full tack setup lol

A single router would be best for my needs but it looks like I may have to wait and see what new devices are brought to the market
 
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