Musharaf's comment - True talk or non sense?

[ElRazur]

Pakistan's president has warned the West would be "brought to its knees" without his country's co-operation in the so-called war on terror.
"If we were not with you, you won't manage anything,"

Full story here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5394278.stm

We all know how powerful th US army is and how big a force to be reckon with places like France, germany, Uk and some eu countries have. Cann we for one second, imagine pakistani refusal to worj with us (the west or the US), can we still pull off this war or terror or can us go it alone?

What is my fellow forumites take on this. Thanks

 

[Zip]

We could do it by our selves
No need for Pakistan apart from them controlling there borders and hunting Osama and other terrorists, I cant really think of much more they ahve done really

Out of interest, Does this sound like a threat to you?

"You'll be brought down to your knees if Pakistan doesn't co-operate with you."

 

[Mik3]

We could do it by our selves
No need for Pakistan apart from them controlling there borders and hunting Osama and other terrorists, I cant really think of much more they ahve done really

Out of interest, Does this sound like a threat to you?

I believe Pakistan provides a lot of intel regarding terrorist activities.

I don't think it was meant as a threat.

 

[ElRazur]

We could do it by our selves
No need for Pakistan apart from them controlling there borders and hunting Osama and other terrorists, I cant really think of much more they ahve done really

Out of interest, Does this sound like a threat to you?

Come to think of it, he might have a point - Our army dont seem capable of guerilla fighting nor ready for the mountains and hills warfare. Using air power is not the solution all the time you know.

Yes it does but bear in mind, english is not his first language so am guessing his comment was beaming with too much confidence that it sounds like a threat

 

[Geoff]

What is my fellow forumites take on this. Thanks

My take is that it's probably a bit of bluster designed for domestic consumption and pride, not as a 'threat' to the West. Musharraf is rather between the rock and a hard place. The west, and especially the US, have him acting as their hard man in the region, and his own domestic pressures are in exactly the opposite direction. He's in a bit of a spot, with Afghanistan's President making accusations, and India joining the clamour. My take is he's feeling sat-upon, and is acting up accordingly. It's just puff and bluster .... though it may well be that Pakistan and ISI provide a lot of intel to the west, and things would be much harder without their active involvement, whether that involvement is willing or coerced. But "brought to it's knees"?

 

[Snash]

I understand Musharraf has a biography coming out hence all the controversial "news" coming from him.

 

[sidthesexist]

While Pakistan does help the west with some intel, their inteligence service (the ISI?) is know to suport the Taliban and Al-Queada, and it was them that warned the taliban of a cruise missile strike that was on the way when clinton was in power

 

[Drizmod]

While Pakistan does help the west with some intel, their inteligence service (the ISI?) is know to suport the Taliban and Al-Queada, and it was them that warned the taliban of a cruise missile strike that was on the way when clinton was in power

Seems like they have a decent Inteligence service if they knew what the USA was up to

 

[scorza]

While Pakistan does help the west with some intel, their inteligence service (the ISI?) is know to suport the Taliban and Al-Queada, and it was them that warned the taliban of a cruise missile strike that was on the way when clinton was in power

According to recent reports they're still doing it as well. A leaked report from MI6 I think pointed the finger and now India is blaming ISI for a suicide bombing last year. All very odd.

 

[sidthesexist]

Seems like they have a decent Inteligence service if they knew what the USA was up to

er no the US had to give them warning due to the cruise missiles overflying Pakistan, otherwise they could have been mistaked as being nukes being launched from India which potentially could have started a nuclear war

 

[Yas786]

Full story here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5394278.stm

We all know how powerful th US army is and how big a force to be reckon with places like France, germany, Uk and some eu countries have. Cann we for one second, imagine pakistani refusal to worj with us (the west or the US), can we still pull off this war or terror or can us go it alone?

What is my fellow forumites take on this. Thanks

No because simply put you need pakistans help believe it or not.

As for the story about this thing, i dont know what to make of it but i wouldnt put it past the Americans or should i say Bush threatening to take action whether it be military or economic action against pakistan. Although before this war on terror started i do remember the rumour about America threatening to bomb pakistan quite heavily if they didnt cooperate.
Personally i think it was good of Pakistan to cooperate even though they may not have wanted to. Its caused a hell of a lot of problems in pakistan politically and i should know as i have spent quite a bit of time in pakistan on business and leisure level.

Out of interest, Does this sound like a threat to you?

Quote:
"You'll be brought down to your knees if Pakistan doesn't co-operate with you."

Are you really that dumb??...no offence meant but seriously think about it...does that statement above not constitute a threat...i mean saying we will bring you down to your knees is not a threat??...you Aussies are a weird lot arent you??.
Im sure if i said something like to someone, they would take it as a threat as would i...should someone say such a thing. But the difference with me is that i would actually challenge the person to prove they could bring me down to my knees. But im sure Mushariff didnt want to cause his countrymen anymore pain especially by the Americans...guess he really had no choice but to help them.
As for pakistan helping the Taleban or Osama??, well of course there are going to be a few who will help them....dont forget that there were quite a few british intelligence who probably helped the IRA in their own special way.

 

[Fraggr]

Yes. IMO the west does need Pakistan's cooperation and their intelligence service. Being brought to our knees without them is taking it a bit too far however, but it would be much, much, MUCH harder than it already is without them.

 

[Roughneck]

I know that Alqueda wants all the infedels out of the holy land ie Saudi arabia ?

right

so let it work both ways eh...


then no problems we wont have to listen to there gripes either. they can have there sand and we can pay less tax supporting them in benfits

 

[Superficial]

It was information from the ISI that lead Mi5 and the police onto the recent terror plot to seize airliners.

We need them onboard because they are in a much better place to gain intelligence than us....unfortunately.

doesn't mean I respect them very much. Last i heard they were pulling out of afghanistan.

 

[Murf]

No because simply put you need pakistans help believe it or not.

Garbage. We're ballsing this up quite well on our own thank you. We don't need Pakistans mistakes adding to the pile. If they wanted to help they'd get control of their own borders.

 

[Fox]

I know that Alqueda wants all the infedels out of the holy land ie Saudi arabia ?

right

so let it work both ways eh...


then no problems we wont have to listen to there gripes either. they can have there sand and we can pay less tax supporting them in benfits

Ignoring everything that is wrong with your statement....What exactly does this have to do with the topic at hand?

 

[MoNkeE]

Are you really that dumb??...

I think you're being overly hostile there - and saying "no offence, but..." doesn't actually make it any less of an insult. To be honest, it sounds like a statement rather than a threat.

-RaZ