MX-5 gear selection problems

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Hi,

I've got a '98 mkII MX-5 1.8S (five speed)

Driving to work today all seemed fine. Got to my first meeting and left the car. When I returned selecting 1st gear seemed a bit stiff but, with a bit of force, I could select it.

Driving along changing gear became harder and harder until eventually I was unable to engage 1-3. 4th and 5th were possible with clutch pedal hard on the floor and using all my strength to yank the gear lever.

On the motorway, in fifth all was fine, no odd noises or other issues. However, once off the motorway (a distance of about 35 miles) getting through town I lost all ability to put the car into any gear except 5th.

Managed to limp home. Even with the engine off it is not possible to select any gear apart from 5th now.

Any ideas fellas? I'm not a car expert so keep it simples.

Thanks in advance.

Hussman
 
Clutch slave cylinder has bitten the dust, have a look at the side of the gearbox for fluid leaks, it has a seperate tank for the clutch fluid under the bonnet, see if thats empty / low.

It's a cheap fix, the rebuild kit is something like £10 and it's an hours work on the drive or 30mins at a garage.
 
Clutch slave cylinder has bitten the dust, have a look at the side of the gearbox for fluid leaks, it has a seperate tank for the clutch fluid under the bonnet, see if thats empty / low.

It's a cheap fix, the rebuild kit is something like £10 and it's an hours work on the drive or 30mins at a garage.

I agreed with you until the O/P said:

Managed to limp home. Even with the engine off it is not possible to select any gear apart from 5th now.

With any kind of hydraulic failure on the clutch, surely you should still be able to select a gear when the engine is off?
 
Not necessarily. If the selectors are out of alignment it won't be able to move to allow them to dog together with the car on the deck and the clutch engaged.
 
I wrote a repair guide years ago, i was a sticky on MX-5 Nutz and had photos, might have gone now:

Firestar_3x said:
Repair / Replace Guide

Symptoms
Bite at the bottom of the clutch pedal
Spongy feeling clutch
Slight fluid dripping out of cylinder boot

The slave clutch cylinder is located on the drivers side lower engine block, improved access can be gained by taking the drivers front road wheel off.

Several approaches can be taken to deal with a Slave cylinder problem :

Mazda Supply a referb kit http://www.mx5parts.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/255

Aftermarket Unit http://www.mx5parts.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/252

Mazda Original unit http://www.mx5parts.co.uk/product_info.php/products_id/873

If you can I'd advise stripping down the slave cylinder first to see what's wrong with it, as a rule of thumb unless dirt has got past the units rubber boot then the bore should be alright and a referb kit should do the job, if the unit show signs of dirt and the bore is scored then replace then unit.

Tools needed


Trolley jack
Axel stand
Wheel brace
12mm Socket & ratchet
9 & 6mm open ended spanner
Flat bladed screwdriver
Brake bleed hose
Receptacle for clutch fluid
Brake / clutch fluid
Lubricating oil
High melting point grease
Brake cleaning spray
Paper towels
Eye protection & Gloves!

Removal guide

Slacken front drivers side wheel nuts

Jack up the front driver side of the car using a suitable trolley jack at the factory Mazda sill points, support the car on axel stands since you will be under the car.

Remove the front drivers side road wheel.

Looking into the wheel arch towards the back of the engine you will see the gearbox / slave cylinder / clutch fork.

The unit consists of two 12mm bolts, a 9mm clutch feed nut and a 6mm bleed nipple, depending who serviced the car last the bleed nipple can be tricky to slacken off.

Spray the oil on all the nuts and allow to soak in for a while.

Slacken the cap from the Clutch Master Cylinder just enough to allow some air to get in, remove the dust cap from the bleed nipple and place the bleed hose on the end, place other end into fluid receptacle.

Slowly back off the bleed nipple using the 6mm spanner, you don't need to back the nipple out too far, watch for first signs of fluid coming up the pipe.

Pump the clutch pedal to remove the remainder of the fluid in the system.

Tighten up Brake Master Cylinder cap.

Tighten up Bleed nipple and replace bleed cap.

Using the 9mm spanner fully remove the 9mm clutch feed nut from its fixings.

Using the 12mm socket remove the upper and lower mounting bolts (You man need to gain access through the bonnet and use and extension bar if the bolts are done up too tight.

You can now fully remove the Slave Cylinder from the car (Use a pull forward action to remove the rod from the clutch fork.

Using the flat bladed screwdriver remove the rubber boot from the body of the slave cylinder, expect some fluid to be in the boot.

Place the piston end of the unit in the palm of your hand and gently jolt the unit in a sharp downwards action to remove the piston out of the bore, may take a while to do this.

Inspect the bore for wear, if you see grooves down the bore best to get a new unit, if the bore looks ok buy a referb kit.

Clean up the piston to clutch fork connecting rod / slave body and bore of unit using soft towels and a brake cleaning spray (If you are going to referb the unit)


Fitting guide (New unit)

Apply some high melting point grease to the clutch fork rod.

Offer up the new unit up to the car, slotting the rod into the clutch fork first.

Attach the unit to the car with the two 12mm bolts.

Connect up the 9mm clutch feed nut.

Remove dust cap from bleed nipple.

Slacken off bleed nipple slightly.

Attach bleed pipe to nipple and place other end into receptacle.

Remove Clutch Master Cylinder filler cap and top up with Brake / clutch fluid.

Pump clutch pedal a few times and go check on the fluid level.

Repeat this process (Never allow the fluid in the Clutch Master Cylinder reservoir to get too low) until air bubbles are no longer visible out of the bleed nipple.

Tighten up the bleed nipple / replace dust cap.

Refit road wheel.


Fitting guide (Referb kit)

Taking the now cleaned body of the original unit, apply a small coat of brake fluid on the bore (Not really needed but gets things moving smooth).

Push the new piston and spring into the bore.

Place new boot over the clutch fork connecting rod then attach the other end of the boot over the body of the slave cylinder unit

Apply some high melting point grease to the clutch fork rod.

Offer up the unit up to the car, slotting the rod into the clutch fork first.

Attach the unit to the car with the two 12mm bolts.

Connect up the 9mm clutch feed nut.

Remove dust cap from bleed nipple.

Slacken off bleed nipple slightly.

Attach bleed pipe to nipple and place other end into receptacle.

Remove Clutch Master Cylinder filler cap and top up with Brake / clutch fluid.

Pump clutch pedal a few times and go check on the fluid level.

Repeat this process (Never allow the fluid in the Clutch Master Cylinder reservoir to get too low) until air bubbles are no longer visible out of the bleed nipple.

Tighten up the bleed nipple / replace dust cap.

Refit road wheel.
 
Ok, update number 1.

As I mentioned previously I was able to get home in 5th. Once on the drive I stopped the engine and tried to get the car into any gear. No luck. Even with the clutch pedal fully down no gear could be selected (although I was able to take the car out of 5th).

I've just gone outside to see if I can see any leaks of clutch fluid etc.

No visible leaks and nothing on the ground either.

I tried the gear lever and surprisingly can now get her into any gear as normal.

I've driven her back into the garage for now.

The clutch fluid reserve (inside the engine bay) seems about 3/4 full, but the fluid is a rather grubby black colour. I've never changed this, or the gearbox oil, since buying the car 18 months ago.

Would you Guy's still suggest it's the slave cylinder that's died?

Thank you...
 
The fluid should be the same colour as Golden Syrup based on this i'd atleast want the system bleeding, Clutch slave cylinders are a common failure point on MX-5's the gearbox is very strong, i'd take it to a garage and get them to have a look, and get them to fit a rebuild kit and change the gearbox and clutch fluid, will cost less than £100.
 
Update.

Firstly, thanks for all the helpful advice fellas!

I bought a new slave cylinder and decided, as the clutch fluid was black (looked more like oil than brake fluid), that I should drain the whole lot and replace it.

Problem was the fluid was so gunky (technical term) that it wouldn't run out of the bleed nipple even when I was pumping the clutch with the master cylinder cap removed.

For this reason I decdied to replace the master clutch cylinder too. I assumed it would be full of gunk and just contaminate the new slave.

Parts arrived and I began to work.

According to many articles on the web in relation to changing the master cylinder I was expecting to have to stand on my head or remove the drivers seat in order to get at the bolt holding the master cylinder to the bulkhead.

However, by removing a small piece of fascia, held in only by 2 screws, I was able to get good purchase on the bolt with my socket set!

Removal and replacement f both cylinders went fairly smoothly thanks to copious amounts of WD40 and a hammer!

Both Master and slave were replaced in around 2 hours.

Car is now working again, just in time for the Spring sunshine.

Happy camper :)
 
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