My Citizenship Journey

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So with today’s announcement of a EU referendum in June, I have finally had the kick to get me to sort out my nationality issues.

For those who aren’t aware, although I was born, raised, educated and reside in the UK, I am technically German as I have a German mother – I never knew my father. I only visited Germany for the first time a couple of years back and most people would assume I am British through and through. So technically, I am just a German exercising treaty rights to work and live in the UK. To be frank, I don’t trust the British public not to make an epic mistake in the forthcoming vote, and so I’m keen to hedge my bets. I know for many people the vote is merely a principle and doesn’t affect them personally to huge degrees, but to me, it really does have potential for profound effects.

Since I was born here after 1983 and lived here up until I was 10 (and much more), I am eligible to “Register” as a British Citizen rather than being naturalised – which means I don’t need to do that stupid citizenship test that nobody British can pass.

I doubt I’ll get this sorted fast enough to actually be able to vote in the referendum, but who knows.

As part of the process, I need to prove that I was resident here for the first 10 years of my life. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a passport up until I was 16, so that doesn’t help. I had already submitted the DPA requests for medical records and school records, so hopefully that will be enough to pass that test. I also need to be of good character; that shouldn’t be an issue and provide biometrics. I feel pretty well prepared on the paperwork front. I did get some legal advice when the Conservatives first got into office, so I know the process and I don’t think I need to pay the (expensive) privilege of having a solicitor represent me. It seems straight forward enough.

So I’m aiming to have the forms sent off on Monday and we’ll see how it goes. I’ll use this thread to chronical my process with the Home Office and any frustrations that may arise. Wish me luck.
 
Perhaps i'm being daft but to me it looks like you're creating a drama story. The idea of you being rejected from the UK leaves me with no other conclusion. It's ridiculous.

I don't want to get into a EU debate, but there are no dramas here, just lots of concerns about the future that I want to protect myself from.

If the UK did vote out, I'd still expect to be able to live and work here it'd be silly to do anything else. With that said, here are a list of some of my worries and why I want to become a UK citizen.

1. Would I need a work visa? How much would that cost? How painful would the process be?
2. How retroactive would change in law be - both in the UK and in Europe?
3. What other restrictions may be placed on EU nationals with a UK who wants to have more control over who works here?
4. The Germans re a bit picky with who they'll let have dual nationality. EU members are one, so if the UK left, German law would need to change. How would it change? Nobody knows, but hopefully it wouldn't be retroactive.
5. This isn't to do with the EU per se, but at the moment I can't vote in general elections or referendums. This frustrates me.
6. If I ever needed consular assistance abroad, I'd rather that be British.

Most people who are not EU nationals, don't care about the above, but this affects me in a very personal way. The whole EU question is as much about personal freedoms as anything else.
 
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1. You would not get kicked out when the UK leave the EU.
2. You are and will always be German (remember they are better at football than us) :)

1. I'm not expecting to, but there are other issues as I've explained above.
2. Self identity is probably another reason I'm looking to sort this out. I'm as British as most people here, despite my current passport.
 
Not sure if this has been asked before, but where was your birth registered? I'm assuming that it wasn't the UK but Germany instead?

I was born in the UK and have a British birth certificate.

Wut? According to who? Is that a legal stance or your personal stance? Seems bonkers to me.

My Dad was born in the UK to a Polish father and a British/Indian mother, but he's always had a British passport, and there's no question of his nationality.

Why are you German? This may sound daft, but you are not your mother :p

That's the legal stance. No father was entered onto the birth certificate and so I only inherit my mother's nationality.

Not filling the right forms at the right time I'd guess, we don't automatically become citizens for being born on UK soil, unlike the USA for example (boris johnson was, until recently, a US citizen because he was born while his parents were over there).

My mum would have to have applied for settled status for me to have avoided this, like you say, being born here isn't enough.
 
First letter of many:

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It took less than 4 weeks for my American wife to be naturalised last year (she's been eligible since 2003). Although you will not receive an official certificate of naturalisation until you attend a swearing in ceremony with a bunch of other new citizens. You’ll receive the signed certificate on the day.

Lemon cake and tea was served afterwards. I also earned double points for squeezing into a suit and not grimacing.

That's a fast turn around. When was that last year?
 
Biometric enrollment complete. Only took about 5 mins and cost ~£20.

There are exactly zero Post Office branches in Southampton that offer the service though (according to the website), so a bit of travelling to sort in the end.
 
Natural citizens do need to take the oath at various times, for example when joining the military or becoming a judge.

But I would have thought the reason non-natural citizens have to take the oath is obvious. A British person is usually going to have a natural loyalty to their nation, because that is where their roots, family and friends are from. Someone from say Germany is not naturally going to be loyal to the UK, so asking them to take an oath is a way of formalising a bond to the nation. And if they were then to betray us, they have broken their personal agreement with us.

That doesn't work in my circumstances. I was born in the UK, I was educated in the UK, I've worked in the UK all my life, I'm a sworn constable and I volunteer my time across the county. I have as much natural loyalty as anyone who was born as a citizen.

I only visited Germany for the first time around 4 years ago, and feel a connection with the UK much more than Germany although it does feel part of my heritage. I think the idea that you're loyal to only one nation is a bit outdated. Many people are dual nationals.
 
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