My final LRPS panel selection

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Some of you may know ive been looking to attain a Licentiatship of the Royal Photographic society. For the last few months I have been putting together a panel of images which not only reflect technical competence and skill etc, but also flow well together. This is the part that I have been finding the most difficult. but I have finally managed to gather together a cohesive panel that im pleased to send off. The envelope containing my application form and entires is sat infront of me ready to post, so wish me luck. The final panel I chose is (In order);

1.
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2.
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3.
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4.
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5.
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6.
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7.
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10.
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Why is my fave shot of yours not selected mate?

Nice portfolio

That shot isn't in because I didn't want too many long exposure seascapes in the set, and I felt number 10 flowed better with the others in the set. Your favourite one 'ocean oasis' is a bit framed and glassed print on my wall though. Still need to take a pic of it to post up sometime.

These are all wonderful shots MK. I can only hope to be able to produce work this good in the future ;)

Number 2 has the least appeal to me as a stand alone photo, but it does bare relevance to some of the other pictures, so fits anyway. Number six is stunning. All the others are spot on aswell. Infact so spot on, that you've inspired me to work in B&W only for a while, as my mono PP needs bringing upto scratch.

Best wishes dude :)

Very kind of you to say. Your work is already up there imo. *Looks at photo comp results* Hmm... maybe a little too good.:mad::p If you look closely, there arn't infact B&W or monotone, they are duotone. I love this toning so much ive made it into a Lightroom preset. :D

All great shots, you have real talent. One question (and maybe a dumb one) but why all black and white images and how come none of your macro shots??!?

Good luck!

Thank you. I tried various solutions to the panel, including a mix, all macro etc. But the bit I found the hardest with this LRPS panel was getting the images to 'flow' together through subject, tone or style etc. It was virtually impossible getting my bright, colourfull insect macros to fit in with my subdued and moody seascapes and portraits as they are nearly polar opposites in terms of style. Choosing all dutone images allowed me to show a breadth and variation of work while allowing the images to fit together well.

Have looked at some of the other porfolios of members who are LRPS, i think you should be OK with that as a submisison.

Are you submitting the digital shots oor have you printed them up to send?

I've been meaning to put a submission together myself for ages, and I really must get around to doing it.

Best of Luck.

Cheers. Im submitting them all digitally. All of my shots are posted on the internet, so from my point of view digital submission is the most relevan. I also don't have enough experience or skill in printing and mounting to feel confident in doing the shots justice.
 
The series does flow well and it is an excellent selection - what do you think the turnaround time will be for them to assess your entry?

I think you should be thinking about aiming for the ARPS next :)

Cheers. The assessment is on Wednesday 2nd April. So I should know by the evening of that Wednesday. I had hoped to get in for the January assessment, but it filled up before I managed to get a panel together that I was happy with.

Once I get the LRPS I will be looking to go for the ARPS. At the moment im thinking concentrating on my insect macrography for that one as it should be themed. Or it might be something totally different as ive got ideas for projects such as documenting weird and wonderfull pastimes such as pigeon fancying and allotment keeping. I also wouldn't mind documenting local homeless people, although that one could be a bit risky tbh.
 
Out of curiosity, do you work? Is this all done in spare time? Are you hoping/planning to become a full time photographer?

Yup I work. Im a IT Monkey/Media tech type whatsamajig. I spend most weekends (And some afternoons in summer) going to random places in aid of my art. Im not planning on becoming a tog as such, but im really wanting a photography related job such as an assistant or photoshop touchup artist. This is for several reasons; I want to gain more experience of the industry working from the bottom up, and I also want to keep the fun and enjoyment of Photography as a hobby. As with so many things, as soon as you start doing something as a job it can remove the fun from it. So by doing a related job, but not actually holding the camera I should hopefully keep the spark. My ideal job though would be as a studio assistant in a large fashion studio.
 
Dear Alasdair

I am sorry to have to inform you that your application for the Licentiateship Distinction was not successful. A Comment sheet giving the reasons for the Panel’s decision will be sent out as soon as possible



Best wishes

Carol

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On pic number 6 - under the guys eye, what is that big white blob that is there? or is it my screen at work?

Its a tear.

yikes, I presume you can apply again? Do you know anyone who has been successful? If so what sort of pictures did they send?

Yeah I can apply again. Think I can apply again at half price (£20). Its the fact that Ive been waiting about 6-7 months for this that is gutting. Without sounding arrogant I was very confident that I would pass this after looking at other examples of successful panels.

You can see a load here btw;

http://205.214.76.22/showthread.php?t=3598
 
Thanks for all your kind words and support guys. It really does mean a lot to me. This result has dissapointed me greatly, and I think the fact that my photography has been riding the crest of a wave for the last year (Well 356 days today) has made this failure hurt all the more.

Im in two minds as to whether im going to attempt the LRPS again. I suspect I will, but I want to see the notes first. If I deem the comments as fair and just then I will go for a second attempt. However if I see the judgement as unjust or highly subjective then I suspect I will be canceling my RPS membership. It might sound like im being a soor loser, and maybe I am, but I have paid a lot of money to be a member and attempt a LRPS and I genuinly believe my work is of a high enough standard (In addition to following all the RPS guidance). I also have mixed feelings as to how credible the society is, as some of the panels that passed (Not only LRPS, but ARPS and even FRPS) I don't believe hold great technical or artistic merit. But anyway, im not going to pass judgment until I get the full panel notes. In the meantime, this is what Margaret Salisbury posted on the RPS forum;

Hi
I am really sorry your Panel was "not recommended" but John is correct in saying you will get detailed Feedback from me as soon as I can complete the forms which I brought home with me today. It will take me some time but we usually get the forms to the Applicants within a month of the Assessment.

You will also get offer of "one to one help" from a Panel Member but initially you will be given my details (email and phone number) so you may contact me to request this. Often it is enough to read the "feedback form" and/or to talk to me, establish where the standard needs lifting and take up the suggestions made and you can of course try again paying half the fee for the second attempt. If you need or ask for more help, one of us (usually Chairman or one of the Assessors from the day your Panel was Assessed) will help you as much or for as long as you need it. Who will help and how will be decided when I speak to you.

You may know that we now have a new Chairman of the Panel - Leo Palmer who is from Northumberland joins John and I, the three of us share the Chairing of the Panels. We have Panel Members from all over the country so we can usually put potential or unsuccessful Applicants in touch with someone in their area or someone who is "expert" in the particular type of photography the Applicant is interested in using in the submission. The panel which met this week consisted of Members from: North Wales, Northern Ireland, Bristol, Somerset, Southampton, Midlands. Workshops are also run in all parts of UK.

Without looking at my notes or the Marking Forms in detail I can tell you that your Panel was a "near miss" and although I can appreciate it is difficult for those looking at your panel here to know why you were unsuccessful I will again reiterate that what you see on the screen is often very different from what you see when the images are projected on a large screen.

Again I am sorry you were not successful this time but with help and some work on the weak points I am positive you will be successful next time.

Margaret

That doesn't really add a great deal of information, but at least it was a nice email. As for;

what you see on the screen is often very different from what you see when the images are projected on a large screen

Im not convinced. Maybe im being simple and thinking too literally here, but surely if both the screen and projector are calibrated properly, then there shouldn't be any difference in the way the image appears.

The candids are excellent, most of the pictures are very good although some of the sparser ones seem technichally competent (as all were) but perhaps lacking in subject.

Care share how you get such nice B&W conversions?

Although subject will no doubt come in to the equation, the LRPS is supposed to be a show of technical competence and having and 'eye' for shots. The panel I chose also shows the breadth of work I do. For the black and white conversions I use Lightroom, and play with the colour levels, then use split toning to get a platinum print type look. I also use quite a bit of dodging and burning to get the right balance of tones.

What comments did they give ?

Won't find out for about a month.

Why not replace the weakest of the selection and re-apply.

See my above comment. If I do re-apply, I suspect i'll do a whole new panel, this time with my colour work, and get it printed instead.


I know what you mean. and I have read the LRPs guidance documents over and over again, and I still can't see why there is so much room for inconsistancy. Maybe im being simple, but its as if they are looking at some 'higher meaning' behind the images, and not the technical and artistic merit of them.

Maybe you have risen above us and you need a more critical audience. It is the best way to improve.

Andrew

Oh im all for constructive criticism, but as long as I can see where its coming from. I certainly enjoy and appreciate the comments and criticism I get from here and TP, but sometimes I'd also like much harsher criticism. However art in general can be and is so subjective that I feel judging should be taken from a technical angle or from a fair and unbiased judging process (ie, a large panel of people from varying backgrounds and standards to eliminate personal bias).


{edit} Oh, by the way, have you altered that miner with the tear? I don't ever remember seeing something as pronounced as that on the original shot. I know you mentioned that you were reprocessing them a while ago. The shot is good until you notice that tear. It looks like a white blob on the image, rather than something that's supposed to be there.

I have reedited it, but I don't think I made the tear any more prominent.

What do you use in LR? Tone curve and split toning?

I don't do much Mono but this might be quite an interesting time to start.

Panzer

See above for CBS' answer.

With the RPS I'd imagine you would often need to have a base to underpin what it is you're trying to say with your imagery. Are you trying to say something or have you picked those photographs just because they look nice?

I don't mean to put you on the spot or and I dont want to sound like I'm having a dig, but you have no idea what context and what basis other peoples photographs were taken in so it's pointless to assume you'd get the distinction because your pictures look better.

This is true for the ARPS and FRPS, but the LRPS should be a panel showing the breadth of your work, with emphasis on technical ability. The panel should also 'flow' whether this is through a theme, or through style, colour or subject matter. A 'letter' of intent is to be submitted with the ARPs, but not the LRPS. It should the images speaking for themselves.

Unlucky.

One question I would ask is do the people you are presenting your CV to understand what an LRPS is and the effort you need to put into it to get one?

Maybe, maybe not. But having the LRPS can't do any harm to my CV, and it is a goal for me to aim towards. It also shows a level of commitment to my hobby that should help with any job applications.


Edit; That has got to be my longest post ever!
 
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Thanks for your continued support everyone. The critique sheet turned up yesterday. Had some very mixed emotions when reading it. A couple of points I agree on (I sometimes do tend to clog the shadows up during my processing), but overall they are pointing out 'faults' that I do not agree with at all. Some areas they claim are 'burnt out' are not at all, and I can back this up with the histogram. Below is a scan of the comment sheet. The highlighted sections are the ones I failed or was picked up on.

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Im going to email Margaret Salisbury at some point and hopefully discuss the judgement with her. Im still very much in two minds as to whether I should try again or cancel my RPS membership.
 
Why not give it another try?

Because im starting to question the integrity and value of the RPS. I probably just sound like a sore looser, but even looking in the RPS magazine, a large amount of the pictures hold little technical or artistic merit imo. As mentioned further down in my post im all up for a challenge, but only as long as I deem the challenge fair and worthwhile, which is what im starting to question. Im not saying ive made my mind up yet, but I definately need to do some more thinking. Also having to pay £90 a year to retain any awards brings out the cynic in me.



Thanks for the suggestions, but unfortunately your both wrong. What you are saying is true for the ARPS and FRPS, but the LRPS should show a variety of work to demonstrate technical competency.

"Editing, selection and sequencing should be considered to display the portfolio to its best advantage. The overall impression should be coherent with sufficient variety of approach even within a narrow range of subject. Repetition of similar images should be avoided"

Ive seen panels that have passed that contain black and white, colour, portraits, landscapes etc etc that seeminly don't flow as far as im concenrned. Ive also seen a panel that passed that entirely contained masks from Venice. This is what is annoying me, I read and reread the instructions over and over again before submitting the panel, yet the judgement seemingly doesn't stick to their own rules. Hopefully Margaret will be able to answer some of my confusion.

I would try again, but then I never give up!! It depends on you obviously, and also whether you really want the right to put LRPS after your name? What was your motivation for applying by the way?

One thing I would do if I was re-submitting, is to make sure it was on print. That removes the reported problem of 'imperfections' showing up more readily when projected.

I origionally wanted to get an LRPS as a challenge to myself, as well as an addition to the creative side of my CV. Im all up for a challenge, and its not the not getting the LRPS that has dissapointed me, but the fact that im unfortunately starting to question the intergrity of the award.

If I do decide to resubmitt I think I will be using prints.

I'm curious about their cropping comment though. I'm assuming (not having looked at the size of the shots you submitted) that they are mostly cropped shots, rather than the full shot. I have to admit that I find that odd, especially looking at what's on there already. I assume they want full, uncropped shots so they're more "professional". Okay, a lot of the work is really good, and some is really bad, but what is clear is that there are hundreds of shots that break these rules one way or another. Have you been unlucky and caught them as they're starting to become strict with the rules?

Yeah, this is something id like an answer to as well. Most of those shots are full frame or at least very very close to full frame. And I personally wouldn't have cropped them much differenty anyway. *shrugs*
 
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