Naim Uniti Nova or ?

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Hello,

I am in the process of moving home and decided it would be a good time to consolidate and upgrade some of the home cinema equipment.

The requirement is to have a one box (or as close as) solution to primarily play music but the occasional film.

Equipment:

TV - Undecided but likely to be 70"+ OLED

Sources:

Playstation 4
Amazon Fire TV 4K
SkyQ Original Bundle

(Prefer streaming content from Netflix / Amazon Prime vs live TV)

Speakers:

BK XXLS400-DF
2 x Bowers & Wilkins 805 D3 (TBC)


Room:

9m x 10m
Solid wood flooring

Currently have subscriptions to Tidal and Spotify.



Stumbled across the Naim Uniti Nova and wondered if anyone had any thoughts on it? What would be the best device to pair it with for movies and multiple hdmi sources?

P.S. Aware the Nova is not going to be available until Feb 2017.
 
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I have a 55" oled and the best way to watch netflix/amazon is via the tv apps because it supports dolby vision and hdr, and just works well. Arc back to my amp supports dts and dolby digital audio

My amp supports spotify music streaming so that's covered as well.

I have a raspberry pi just for plex alone, but the tv can also do plex. May have to see if I can convert to it someday.
 
Tricky set of requirements, even more to do so in one box and do them well.
For example:
- Take an out from the TV, chances are it'll be restricted to DTS at best
- Most audio streaming interfaces built into AV amps are a bit pants
- Very few DACs contain HDMI inputs (exceptions being units like the Nad M51)
- Room correction (VERY useful) is available on AV amps, but often not brilliantly done, otherwise you typically need a PC or similar
- Most AV amps are nothing better than "ok" at music
- The Naim you mention still needs something to "host" the music and I don't believe it has HDMI inputs. Additionally, I think I head one last week. It was "ok", but not amazing

Assuming you want to do what I'm guessing, i.e. high quality music streaming in 2.1, with the ability to also do AV too, here's a few options that spring to mind:

1. AV processor (e.g. one of the better Marantz), then stream to it from a laptop for music. Outputs to a decent stereo power amp of your choice (Naim if that's what floats your boat)
2. Nad M51 stereo DAC (has HDMI inputs), again fed by a laptop/PC
3. Oppo 105, being used as a BD source, pre-amp and DAC. For the money, really good product and can do all of that. Also includes x2 HDMI IIRC
4. Stereo DAC, taking DTS from an SPDIF connection on the TV

Going with any of the above also allows the use of S/H kit, which will be massively more costs effective than a brand new Naim unit, along with the fact that you could buy it now.

Using a PC/laptop allows easy use of room correction (simple manual filters via say REW, or automated via say DIRAC. If you want the PC in a completely different room, you could have your server somewhere else, and run an appropriate software on a Pi3 as an end point, linked via USB or SPDIF into your DAC.

Hope that's some useful food for thought.
 
Take a look at a Linn DSM streamer, it has HDMI in for audio and pass through for picture. Plus digital and analogue inputs.
Will stream from NAS and has great Tidal integration. Has built in room correction software.
Get more than one and they do multi room as well.
The Majik version has built in power amp, the better Akurate version will required a power amp. Plenty about used as well. If you have the budget you won't do better.
 
Good call on the DSM, had forgotten about that.

Question for yourself 9 ref "space".
Just browsed through some of the online wiki. Would I be right in saying that you could if you wished completely ignore the out of the box settings and input specific frequency adjustments, based upon say having measured the room with REW?
 
In a word, yes. In the early days my Fact 8's weren't listed, so I used a surrogate Linn speaker and then tweaked it manually and with the aid of the XZT measurement mic and system. I think they have now added extra features to create your own custom speaker profile.
As my room is passively treated with GIK panels I still manually tweak the settings, as I need very little assistance in a treated room. In an untreated room it's priceless.... well actually they gave it away for free on a software update.... !! :D
I actually run 4 DS's now, one from each range, in 4 different rooms... each tuned to the speakers and room they drive.....
Now reading up on the Katalyst upgrade for the KDS, seems a big'n ... and not just the price. HiFi+ review is very positive, best digital source thus heard perhaps?...
 
Quite a lot to take in.

Mr_Sukebe, appreciate the detailed response. Your assumption is correct in that I would prefer a good 2.1 setup vs an ok 5.1.

The source for music is likely going to be an iPad or Macbook, the desktop is not coming with me.

I'll have a look at the Marantz combinations. The Oppo is a interesting one, my question would be does it have enough oompfh to drive the speakers in question?


9designs2, The Linn unit does look like it ticks more of the boxes but only mentions support for Tidal directly but has an app called Songcast/Airplay to stream other sources. Combined with the 2 channel Akurate Power Amp, it come sin around £6,000 which isnt too bad.
 
I would also recommend good stereo over ok 5.1. If you have the money get good 5.1 but that means several times more to keep the same quality.

I'd be looking into dedicated amplifiers for those speakers, a proper 100W poweramp not a integrated Marantz slimline.
 
RomeoS You should be able to find a Linn/Naim dealer to get a hands on demo....(Your in London area?)
Yes you can Airplay, plus other streaming services. Believe it will read various music libraries. I can put a bit more detail together tonight (and prices).... Plenty of exdem items around at present as people are upgrading to newer models and updates.
 
Quite a lot to take in.

Mr_Sukebe, appreciate the detailed response. Your assumption is correct in that I would prefer a good 2.1 setup vs an ok 5.1.

The source for music is likely going to be an iPad or Macbook, the desktop is not coming with me.

I'll have a look at the Marantz combinations. The Oppo is a interesting one, my question would be does it have enough oompfh to drive the speakers in question?


9designs2, The Linn unit does look like it ticks more of the boxes but only mentions support for Tidal directly but has an app called Songcast/Airplay to stream other sources. Combined with the 2 channel Akurate Power Amp, it come sin around £6,000 which isnt too bad.


Further thoughts:
- An Ipad doesn't sound like a good source, unless you're intending to stream from say Tidal, as you'd be very limited on storage space for your own music. The Ipad is a good control method, but really not suitable for work as a server
- The Macbook should work fine as a server for your music, but you might want to consider either a NAS or NUC. Depends upon what you're going to run for your server software and if/where you're going to run any type of room correction. Clearly if you go with a Linn DS unit, it includes the capability (that's a big bonus). Otherwise, run it locally
- The Oppo is a BD player, that also happens to be capable to be a DAC and 5.1 channel pre-amp. It's NOT able to run room correction, but could be used as a DAC from say your Macbook. I was impressed by the capability and it's music quality from the one I heard, certainly at it's price. The Oppo does NOT include a power amp. Assume you'll need to include budget for a standalone one.
- Ref the amp side of things. Both the Linn DSM and Oppo include volume controls, meaning that you can run them directly into a power amp. For all that, my local Linn dealer suggested that the Linn DS via a Linn pre-amp sounded better than a DSM. I didn't run a comparison, but it's worth thinking about. Maybe he justed wanted to sell me an additional box. I'm a believer that the quality of a pre-amp is if anything more important than the power amp (I know that sounds the wrong way around) so it's worth trying to include that comparison whilst you're listening and making a choice.
- Ref the power amp, IMO the ONLY importance factor is that it works in a synergistic manner with your planned speakers. Ignore the gutter press "best buys" and just ensure that it sounds right and can drive your speakers.
The good news is that power amp technology really hasn't changed that much in a long time. So a good power amp from 10 years ago, is still a good power amp. The only real update is the increased availability of Class D "digital" power amps, which simply aren't a panacea either. Just like the other technologies, then have their own pros and cons. Right now I'm using a power amp based upon a 30 year design and am doing so despite having the opportunity to move to whatever technology I want.

Finally, 9 is right. Get out and go have a listen. You (hopefully) wouldn't spend 10k on a car without driving it. This should be no different. Don't blow a bunch of dosh without listening to some options.

And the reason I've deliberately avoided making distinct suggestions on specific hardware is easy. We're all different in what we like. I've heard all sorts of the years and have ended up with a solution that some might shake their heads at. For all that I love it. 9's the same, has a great system, but I'd be astounded if it wasn't quite different in it's presentation style of my own.
 
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You are actually wanting to do something very similar to how my system is currently set up, albeit with older tech. As long as they haven't changed things you can set one of the Naim Analogue inputs to a home theatre mode, effectively using it as a power amp for an AV reciever. You could then get just about any old AV receiver with pre-outs and use it as a pre-amp into the Naim for your AV sources, then use the Naim for streaming/2.0 duties, which is what I do with my Naim Unity 2 and old Yammy RX-V3900. You'd probably save yourself a whole heap of money by just picking up a second hand Uniti 2/SuperUniti to be honest, will do the same thing as the Nova.
 
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