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Yea it's brilliant!
NAS OS?
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No I'm not.
My pool is big.
7 hdd in one. 4 nvme in another, then just one for the main os
One of the most misquoted statements from a TN dev involved the 'need' for ECC, it's desirable, but it's only one part of the data path.
7 drives
Yep especially given that no one ever has ECC in the machine they are transferring data from
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Yup 7 hdd mate, 4 nvme in another pool and then 1 more nvme running the osOne of the most misquoted statements from a TN dev involved the 'need' for ECC, it's desirable, but it's only one part of the data path.
7 drives
It's the whole pathway from content creation to storage and backup, people also seem to ignore obvious things like 'in flight' data and UPS', but love to focus on ECC for a server for some reason.Yep especially given that no one ever has ECC in the machine they are transferring data from
Respectfully, that sounds like a nice little single box set-up, the sort of thing many enthusiasts use for centralised storage at home for themselves and family, and will do the job admirably if you seemingly need IOPS, but it's not 'big', or even medium in terms of drive count.
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Indeed it is for iops as I wanna max out my 10gb setup.
It's the staples system mate.
4 nvme is for fast pool **** where I directly can work off 50mp raw files, have steam games installed there etc etc and the 7 hdd pool is for archives mostly with decent i/o performance..
It's funny because you say it's not even a medium size system but the cost of the above is huge and that was before ai hype prices... O and it's 7 16tb I have and 4x4 nvme
I'm not really sure why you're building this like you are...
If all you're working on 50mp raw files (assuming image rather than video here) you're not even stretching 1 nvme let alone 4 in a pool.....they're what 100megabytes per file to load in, the rest would be using your main pc scratch disk and ram to work from. I'd assume you're doing good data backups with multiple copies at different stages but normal workflow would be save to main pc then backup incrementally/in real time to the server rather than saving direct to the server.... or at least that's how I would do it (actually I had an automatically saved duplicate on my main rig which was then transferred over rather than the original but...) because 10gig connection tops out around 1.25 GB/s which is slower than even budget nvme drives.....
Hate to be that guy but it's not that big, 4-8 drives was the average for a pc savvy home user who had a need for a nas (until AI prices at least).... datahoarders and homelab hobbyists make even mine looks small and I've got 8x2tb ssd's and 12x18tb drives in my unraid server...I'd also need pretty close to 10k to rebuild at current prices, that's ignoring other bits like UPS and networking etc, which is well outside my 'spare cash' these days lol.
Local storage always wins if you need raw IOPS, a single individual moving local NAND to a network storage pool isn't going to gain anything in terms of performance, quite the opposite. That said, if you can do IO locally on the server, it can be advantageous. As for scale, someone always has something bigger, but i've always treated anything under 16 drives as enthusiast territory. Back in the day 24-36 bays was high end for a home environment, that bar has been moved somewhat, especially when new drives cost as much as they do, so things like disk shelves have become much more normal.
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Doing a mini-project at the moment where I'm migrating away from OneDrive/Microsoft 365 and been spending some time looking at NAS storage solutions.
For the last few years I've been running a Debian server, massively scaled down from my last home server and just running a few simple docker containers (Adguard Home, Jellyfin, File Browser etc). However I wouldn't mind refreshing my self-hosting setup and I have been researching the options out there. And it seems that the limits of unsustainable 'lifetime'-licenses, open-source and freemium models has been reached somewhat. The news about TrueNAS going closed-source, Unraid redoing there whole licensing model a few years ago ($250), Hex OS ($199); where a lot of people seem to want a refund. And even the makers of the Zimaboards getting flack for introducing a $29 charge for their ZimaOS. It's just going to take Promox to intoduce a more aggressive community pricing model and then it will all hit the fan!
That said I've been playing with the aforementioned ZimaOS on the my old Debian box (was going to wipe and restore anyway). The speed at which you can install a fully working RAID storage with automated Cloud/Network/USB backup and loads of Apps is very impressive. It's not quite as polished as DSM, but it's way more intuitive than the likes of OMV, Unraid etc. Although part of me wonders if a two-box solution is the way for me to look at moving forward. A box for storage and another box for debian/dockers.
For the last few years I've been running a Debian server, massively scaled down from my last home server and just running a few simple docker containers (Adguard Home, Jellyfin, File Browser etc). However I wouldn't mind refreshing my self-hosting setup and I have been researching the options out there. And it seems that the limits of unsustainable 'lifetime'-licenses, open-source and freemium models has been reached somewhat. The news about TrueNAS going closed-source, Unraid redoing there whole licensing model a few years ago ($250), Hex OS ($199); where a lot of people seem to want a refund. And even the makers of the Zimaboards getting flack for introducing a $29 charge for their ZimaOS. It's just going to take Promox to intoduce a more aggressive community pricing model and then it will all hit the fan!
That said I've been playing with the aforementioned ZimaOS on the my old Debian box (was going to wipe and restore anyway). The speed at which you can install a fully working RAID storage with automated Cloud/Network/USB backup and loads of Apps is very impressive. It's not quite as polished as DSM, but it's way more intuitive than the likes of OMV, Unraid etc. Although part of me wonders if a two-box solution is the way for me to look at moving forward. A box for storage and another box for debian/dockers.
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Seriously stop reading the headlines on these things. Specifically about true nas going closed source. It's a nothing burger
Bit rude...I actually read the github update ;p
I suppose it's bit of an opinion on these things though. Some people are staunch advocates of open-source and don't want to be constrained by proprietary code. As someone who has paid for the likes of Obsidian & Plex I'm not necessarily in that camp. But my point was more that these seems to be a lot of these projects that have gone through some volatility on licensing in the last few years.
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If you check why they are going closed source and you don't tinker and re compile nas os youself then it's a nothing burger.
Just pick it or unraid whichever suits your needs
Will do. I'll need to research it more and pin-down what it is that's important to me. Over the years I've have used; unraid (old basic license on a USB stick somewhere), OMV, plain Debian and DSM was my into intro (DS211J) into home servers years ago. But recently I haven't really paid any attention to the hobby and that's where I've seen things like Hex appear which are new.
I would respectfully disagree. Similar arguments have been made for decades, and inevitably it plays out the same way: Open Source project does well, dev's get spicy about things, it's forked, community splits, eventually one half moves code to closed source to prevent the obvious flow of code, and projects drift apart. You could also throw in disgusting personal attacks and making really poor hiring choices/pushing broken code in the case of Netgate/PFSense when the OPNSense team forked the code, or the fiasco that was Smoothwall when Dick left, though he didn't actually become directly involved in IPCOP, Emby and JellyFin being another example, Plex and XBMC was less dramatic. In this case, the change was pushed by a 3rd party skinning TN and making money on it, they also massively under delivered on what they promised/did, as the moment you want to do anything even remotely basic, you are basically directed back to the TN UI.
Since my last post I've spent days playing around with my home server setup; mini PC w/Intel Celeron 5105 CPU & 16GB RAM. I've settled on just updating Debian.
ZimaOS is very cool. Cloud sync/integration with the big providers that's pretty robust, beautiful interface, remote access in the mobile app and solid app store. I can't fault it. That said I've reinstalled Debian with basics like Samba, SSH, Docker engine and I'm glad I did because despite losing hours yesterday and getting stuck this morning I was finally able to use Nginx Proxy Manager to configure an HTTPS certificate. So no more annoying 'https-only' mode alerts! The only negatives are Home Assistant doesn't want to play ball with Nginx Proxy Manager (and the fix isn't working for me) and I've had to install Pi-Hole on an old Raspberry Pi (although it's nice to un-retire old gear). I know Proxmox would solve this, but I like running Debian bare metal.
I've also been playing around with Tailscale which is very interesting. And a small app via Docker called Memos which I think might have a place moving forwards as a quick note app to replace Keep. So even though I've lost a lot of time over the past week being able to fix and resolve most of my problems, it has been rewarding.
I may not have gone with a NAS OS this time, but I've certainly researched enough to have an up to date view of the current offerings.
ZimaOS is very cool. Cloud sync/integration with the big providers that's pretty robust, beautiful interface, remote access in the mobile app and solid app store. I can't fault it. That said I've reinstalled Debian with basics like Samba, SSH, Docker engine and I'm glad I did because despite losing hours yesterday and getting stuck this morning I was finally able to use Nginx Proxy Manager to configure an HTTPS certificate. So no more annoying 'https-only' mode alerts! The only negatives are Home Assistant doesn't want to play ball with Nginx Proxy Manager (and the fix isn't working for me) and I've had to install Pi-Hole on an old Raspberry Pi (although it's nice to un-retire old gear). I know Proxmox would solve this, but I like running Debian bare metal.
I've also been playing around with Tailscale which is very interesting. And a small app via Docker called Memos which I think might have a place moving forwards as a quick note app to replace Keep. So even though I've lost a lot of time over the past week being able to fix and resolve most of my problems, it has been rewarding.
I may not have gone with a NAS OS this time, but I've certainly researched enough to have an up to date view of the current offerings.