Near miss. Is this common?

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Whilst driving I indicated right then stopped on a busy road waiting to turn right. As I was about to make the manoeuver a delivery rider on a moped passed me. I braked and only just avoided an accident, though the rider did have to urgently veer away.
I did not expect a vehicle or bike to overtake on the right.

The rider would have been quite far behind me and would have seen me indicating and preparing to turn right.

Who was in the 'wrong,' the rider or me?
 
The rider should think themselves lucky you done a mirror or quick glance before you got fully committed... Not your fault!
 
I have to admit, I did not look in my wing mirror nor the mirror in the car. I assumed that no one would pass me
 
Both but mostly the rider especially as you are indicating then they should have anticipated the maneuver.

At same time as known just cause you are indicating never assume that space is free and check mirrors.

80% them, 20% you in my view.
 
The Highway Code tells you to do a second check that you're not being overtaken for a reason - you've just encountered that reason. Plenty of people are stupid enough to try and overtake a vehicle stopped and clearly waiting to turn.

Turning right​

Rule 179​

Well before you turn right you should

  • use your mirrors to make sure you know the position and movement of traffic behind you
  • give a right-turn signal
  • take up a position just left of the middle of the road or in the space marked for traffic turning right
  • leave room for other vehicles to pass on the left, if possible.

Rule 180​

Wait until there is a safe gap between you and any oncoming vehicle. Watch out for cyclists, motorcyclists, pedestrians and other road users. Check your mirrors and blind spot again to make sure you are not being overtaken, then make the turn. Do not cut the corner. Take great care when turning into a main road; you will need to watch for traffic in both directions and wait for a safe gap.
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Sadly increasingly common - one place I drive along quite regularly there is 2 lanes of traffic on approach to a roundabout where it is often gridlocked - not uncommonly I'll be queuing indicating to take the first exit left off the roundabout and get cyclists or mopeds, etc. come inside me on the left and try to go straight over the roundabout in the middle of me manoeuvring to take the left!!! fortunately knowing it happens I'm prepared for it - I'm surprised they don't get knocked off more often. (EDIT: And they aren't going slowly either - often there is barely a second before the first chance you have of seeing them to where they are almost upon you and it is a situation where you really need to be paying attention to front and right more than to anything incorrectly using the left).

Absolute idiots.

Sadly seems to be a massive increase since the pandemic with people driving without much care let alone consideration for anyone else - 2 days in a row on the main road I've got behind people wandering along at random speeds from 28MPH through to 60, poor lane discipline, poor observation, often heading into a 30 and continuing at between 40 and 50MPH, etc. etc.
 
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Most delivery riders do not even have proper insurance so will flee any accident! They should not be employed at all as they do not have commercial insurance so tend to drive like they do not care about safety.....!
 
The rider was definitely in the 'wrong', and it was a terrible decision to overtake there. Definitely an unsafe decision, and goes against rule 167. Although technically you are still responsible for checking it's safe before you turn and that no one is overtaking.

I don't always do a full check behind me when turning right, especially if the traffic is busy and I'm waiting for a gap... Bit of a reminder that I should make it more of a habit though.
 
I would think more 50/50, yes the moped shouldn't overtake but the truth is they often do.
You're always required to yield when turning off...

Shrug it off and check the mirrors next time to be sure, you don't want the hassle of an accident.
 
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