Need ADSL!! Be*/BT + HomeHub??

cokebottles · 24 Jul 2007 at 21:18

Just reactivated an old BT phone line in our house, so I could get my own ADSL connection. Mainly looking between then unlimited £24.99 deals from both Be (24mb) and BT (8mb + nifty looking home hub).

Anyone have experience with either??

Also, Im used to using cable broadband and routers, so just a few quick checks: My room is upstairs, and my phone socket is downstairs. I do however have a long ethernet patch cable running into my room from downstairs..... If I keep whatever modem/router/wireless device I get from my ISP downstairs near my phone socket, and plug it's output into my long cable, that would work fine??? I assume it would... but all these adsl companies bundle wierd modem/router things which i dont really want to use, I just want get the 'ethernet out' from the modem, and use my own router upstairs. I dont want to have one router going into the other, if you see what I mean. Im assuming the BT home hub is basicaly a wireless router too???

tolien · 24 Jul 2007 at 21:23

No ISP gives out ethernet ADSL modems - you'll either get a router (in the case of BT and Be) or a USB modem (which is useful to you as a coaster, but not much else).

GSDog · 24 Jul 2007 at 21:30

If you get can Be in you're area, then go with them. I really would not recommend BT at all, unless you like Indian call centers, traffic managment, lies, 18 month contracts and more...

(I just left BT after 6 years, they have seriously gone downhill recently).

cokebottles · 24 Jul 2007 at 21:36

OK. Thanks.... hypothetically....... Seeing as I have this long RJ45 patch cable running up the wall already.... is it possible to convert this to a regular phone type cable (RJ11??) with the use of adapters on either end??

Cheers.

GSDog · 24 Jul 2007 at 21:43

cokebottles said:
OK. Thanks.... hypothetically....... Seeing as I have this long RJ45 patch cable running up the wall already.... is it possible to convert this to a regular phone type cable (RJ11??) with the use of adapters on either end??

Cheers.

If you already have an RJ45 running from downstairs to you're room, then you would want to buy an RJ11, plug it into the router (If you go with Be, I *think* they supply their own, but I am not sure), then plug the RJ45 into the router and then into you're PC in you're room.

I think there are adaptors to convert RJ45 to RJ11, but why would you want to do this? You want to keep the RJ11 as short as possible.

So it would be like this:

Phone socket --RJ11--Router-------RJ45------PC.

If you don't have a phone socket upstairs, then keep the router downstairs.

cokebottles · 24 Jul 2007 at 21:46

I completely understand the way things should be connected. My problem is: The router MUST be in my room, because I have numerous devices I want to connect to it via wires. My phone socket is downstairs....

I already have a RJ45 cable running from upstairs to downstairs.... Now, to connect my phone socket, to the back of the ADSL router (one tht is supplied, or one I may buy in the future) I was wondering if I could use the in-place RJ45 cable, with adapters on each end??

Do you see what I mean??

tolien · 24 Jul 2007 at 22:27

Keep the supplied router downstairs, and use your own as a switch (i.e. connect the RJ45 to one of the switch ports on both routers and disable DHCP on your own), or use your own downstairs and buy a switch.

cokebottles · 24 Jul 2007 at 22:35

I think I see what you are saying. Correct me if I'm wrong.... If I disable DHCP on any modem/router/homehub I get from my ISP, it effectively doesnt behave as a router anymore. I would therefore only get one, completely transparent (all ports open, for want of a better word) output.... which I could connected to my own router??

Thanks for staying with me here guys....

Sone · 24 Jul 2007 at 22:38

cokebottles said:
I think I see what you are saying. Correct me if I'm wrong.... If I disable DHCP on any modem/router/homehub I get from my ISP, it effectively doesnt behave as a router anymore. I would therefore only get one, completely transparent (all ports open, for want of a better word) output.... which I could connected to my own router??

your wrong, all dhcp is a daemon that runs on your router to autoconfigure ip devices (overly simple explanation). Doesent affect PAT or any other aspect of your router

cokebottles · 24 Jul 2007 at 22:51

What would make my life so easy.... is if I could just plug a modem into my phone socket on the wall.... which gives me one unadulterated RJ45 output (like how I used to get out of my NTL cable modem).

Thats what I want to put downstairs next to my phone socket, so then I could use the RJ45 cable that runs from there to my room... where I can plug it either directly into my computer, or into a router to split to my devices. [It's key that the router resides in my room, upstairs]

Its already been said, that the ISPs all throw in some kind of modem/router..... more specifically looking at BE [the 24mb guys], is there a way to get purely 'modem' functionality out of the equipment they supply??

If not, no worries.... could I simply buy my own ADSL modem to put downstairs.. such as:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=NW-059-LS&groupid=46&catid=115&subcat=418
and run that into my own router without using any ISP supplied equipment.

Very greatful for your responses guys.

tolien · 24 Jul 2007 at 23:54

cokebottles said:
What would make my life so easy.... is if I could just plug a modem into my phone socket on the wall.... which gives me one unadulterated RJ45 output (like how I used to get out of my NTL cable modem).

An ethernet modem, or ADSL router in bridge mode will do that.

Thats what I want to put downstairs next to my phone socket, so then I could use the RJ45 cable that runs from there to my room... where I can plug it either directly into my computer, or into a router to split to my devices. [It's key that the router resides in my room, upstairs]

You could do exactly that with my last suggestion, the only difference being that you'd be using the downstairs routers as a router rather than just a modem, and using your own router as a switch - why does the router have to stay? If it's just to connect machines to it, a switch is plenty...

Its already been said, that the ISPs all throw in some kind of modem/router..... more specifically looking at BE [the 24mb guys], is there a way to get purely 'modem' functionality out of the equipment they supply??

IIRC the 546WL can be set to do bridge mode, yes.