Need advise on my Rig please

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Hi Guys i am building a new rig but i need a bit of advise on whats best to use, below is a list of the parts i have come up with so far but i would really appreciate your professional opinions

Case
CM Storm Stryker Case

Mother board choice of 2
Asus P8Z77-V PRO Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard
Asus Z77 Sabertooth Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard

Processor

intel Core i5 3570K

Graphics card (i already own 2 x ) i was going to connect these SLI


2 x Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560Ti OC 1024MB GDDR5(already Own)


Memory

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-350-CS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1517

Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-14900 C10 1866MHz Dual Channel Kit

Power supply

i own a HX680w corsair not sure if its good enough

I thank you all in advance
Kind regards
Phil
 
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What's the system for? If it's primarily gaming then the i7 will prove no use over the i5 3570k. The same goes for 16GB of RAM over 8GB, it's a bit expensive as well.
 
it is if and only if the game supports it, many dont, then it's the same as the i5

those that keep knocking the i7 and HT need to fully understand why it works sometimes and others it don't.

"In most cases Hyper-threading won't make much of a difference in games. but depending on the processor it may have more value on one processor than another. The Intel® Core™ i3-2100 does find some advantages from HT in some games. On the other hand the Intel Core i7-2600K show much use in game with its hyper-threading.

Christain Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team"

that's just for the i3 mind you, he also says the a dual core with HT on will be on par with a Phenom II X4 980BE as no AMD chip has HT

and as games still aren't fully using 4 cores as yet while many still use 6 and 8 core chips, the HT question is well not really needed.

go onto any site like what i play, total war etc, and there's just as many i7 users than i5 users with an equal amount still using top end amd chips with more cores.

there's isn't a game thats released now that doesn't use HT, to say anything other is just plain wrong, sorry.....

quote
"Afaik theres no "support" needed, a game that can use 4 cores will use 2 cores + HT happily it dosent need to be programmed to use hyperthreading it just needs to be multithreaded, windows will do the rest. BF3 is an excellent example of this as it can use 8 available threads and therefore can make use of the i7's HT tech." end quote

keep flogging i5's all you like, but to keep saying it's fact that i7 aren't needed or used in games is well wrong, in some yes i agree, no use whats so ever, thats also called lazy programmers.

h88p://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2207167
 
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I would look at something like this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x HIS HD 7950 IceQ BOOST 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card (H795QC3G2M) £239.99
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £167.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77-D3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £89.99
1 x TeamGroup Elite 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (TED38GM1600HC11DC01) £39.95
Total : £549.31 (includes shipping : £9.50).




I know you already have 2 graphics cards but with only 1GB VRAM it is seriously limiting. 2GB is the standard for a decent modern graphics card now really.
 
This is what id do:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £167.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £129.98
1 x Corsair XMS3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX8GX3M2A1600C9) £41.99
1 x Alpenföhn Matterhorn Pure Edition CPU Cooler (Socket 775 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / AM2 / AM2+ / AM3 / FM1 / FM2) £29.99
Total : £381.35 (includes shipping : £9.50).



I have left the case decision upto you. Personally i think the Stryker is as ugly as sin, but everyone has there own tastes. Personally i'd go for a 300R/500R/C70 (all corsair) or a Bitfenix Ghost.

Have you got a cooler?

I'd go for a gigabyte motherboard as they are reliable and have UK RMA

That RAM you picked is way expensive. XMS3 is very good RAM and a good overclocker too.

Need anything else?
 
As long asthe power supply i already have is good enough, and no i dont have a cooler that case was the first one i came across, just looking for a good sexy one, and you would choose gigabyte over asus motherboard
 
so are they saying that just to sell the i7 chip because everyone seems to recommend the i5

zakblood said:
it is if and only if the game supports it, many dont, then it's the same as the i5

those that keep knocking the i7 and HT need to fully understand why it works sometimes and others it don't.

"In most cases Hyper-threading won't make much of a difference in games. but depending on the processor it may have more value on one processor than another. The Intel® Core™ i3-2100 does find some advantages from HT in some games. On the other hand the Intel Core i7-2600K show much use in game with its hyper-threading.

Christain Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team"

so are they saying that just to sell the i7 chip because everyone seems to recommend the i5

that's just for the i3 mind you, he also says the a dual core with HT on will be on par with a Phenom II X4 980BE as no AMD chip has HT

and as games still aren't fully using 4 cores as yet while many still use 6 and 8 core chips, the HT question is well not really needed.

go onto any site like what i play, total war etc, and there's just as many i7 users than i5 users with an equal amount still using top end amd chips with more cores.

there's isn't a game thats released now that doesn't use HT, to say anything other is just plain wrong, sorry.....

quote
"Afaik theres no "support" needed, a game that can use 4 cores will use 2 cores + HT happily it dosent need to be programmed to use hyperthreading it just needs to be multithreaded, windows will do the rest. BF3 is an excellent example of this as it can use 8 available threads and therefore can make use of the i7's HT tech." end quote

keep flogging i5's all you like, but to keep saying it's fact that i7 aren't needed or used in games is well wrong, in some yes i agree, no use whats so ever, thats also called lazy programmers.

h88p://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2207167
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Thank you Bacon, is my psu ok to run the following now then

1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £167.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX8GX3M2A1600C9) £41.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £129.98
Graphics card (i already own 2 x ) i was going to connect these SLI
2 x Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560Ti OC 1024MB GDDR5(already Own)

good cooler and case to find now
 
last post here as im not going to bang my head against a closed mind or door either,

i5 no HT
i7 with HT, over clock either and both produce more heat and use more power? yes? agreed as it's a fact.

atom uses HT?
yes it does

Itanium uses HT
Xeon uses HT

why are both chips faster at the same clock speed than a i7?

both Itanium and xeon both use dual way or two-way hyper-threading as the i7 only uses a single lane

Hyper-threading works by duplicating certain sections of the processor—those that store the architectural state—but not duplicating the main execution resources. This allows a hyper-threading processor to appear as the usual "physical" processor and an extra "logical" processor to the host operating system (legacy operating systems see two "physical" processors), allowing the operating system to schedule two threads or processes simultaneously and appropriately. When execution resources would not be used by the current task in a processor without hyper-threading, and especially when the processor is stalled, a hyper-threading equipped processor can use those execution resources to execute another scheduled task. (The processor may stall due to a cache miss, branch misprediction, or data dependency.)
This technology is transparent to operating systems and programs. The minimum that is required to take advantage of hyper-threading is symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) support in the operating system, as the logical processors appear as standard separate processors.

any program / game that is programmed for multi-threaded code, allowing multiple threads to run simultaneously,will or could see improved reaction and response time if programmed well.

bf3 was a turkey in this area as when it came out, mutli core chip, over clocked chips and video cards and dual card until game was patched got a % hit in use ie some dual cores with single cards got high scores / fps than quad cores and dual vga cards.

bad programming, but any normal game or program if written correctly out of the box will support HT, reasons why most only get a small 1 to 5% gain using it or less is because programmers still aren't even using the full 4 cores so HT doesn't come into play, max the cpu and HT comes into it's own
 
Thank you very much for your advise, im not really technically minded i am just trying to build the best rig i can for gaming and running servers remotely
 
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