Need Air flow suggestions

I think your questions have been answered quite comprehensively.

What I do not see is what your temps are, which ideas you have tried and what temps you got doing it.

Even if you think some of the sugestions are a bit lame, the people are trying to help you which you should be grateful for.

Looking at your setup it does not strike me as a difficult challenge to keep cool so try out some of the ideas and post how you get on.

Hi there,

I have tried putting the fans like so:
-Top fan in
-Top fan out
-Antec in
-Antec out
-Side panel open
-Side panel closed
-Side panel air in
-Side panel air out
-2x front fans
-1x front fan

Things i haven't or won't try (either because they won't fit, or that it isn't recommended) are:
-Bottom fan in/out
-Antec push/pull
-2nd opening at top in/out
-Moving antec to other hole at top

Temps wise, I don't know what to really show - would you like a 100% load after several hours of p95? Because when I opened the case up the other time, after around 17hrs of prime, the case was hot - but the temps were OK.
(Obviously vcore and cpu were hotter than usual)

Cheers
 
Temps wise, I don't know what to really show - would you like a 100% load after several hours of p95? Because when I opened the case up the other time, after around 17hrs of prime, the case was hot - but the temps were OK.
(Obviously vcore and cpu were hotter than usual)

Post the temps you get after 3 or 4 hours of gaming for your CPU and GPU.

Prime 95 is not a good guide for real world use (gaming) where GPUs are also producing heat.
 
Post the temps you get after 3 or 4 hours of gaming for your CPU and GPU.

Prime 95 is not a good guide for real world use (gaming) where GPUs are also producing heat.

That's very true.
Well in that case - I would have to check fans, and their positions in about a week.
I'm still trying to get a stable OC - which is proving to be much harder than I originally thought (P95 just failed after 1hr @4.2ghz)

EWDIT:
Here are two pics I could scavenge from my OC thread:
http://imageshack.us/a/img525/5792/27602420.png

after 10mins cooldown:
http://imageshack.us/a/img405/7185/after10mincooldown.png

See the main concern is not to have heat floating in my case - that's it.
Thus the only real two possibilities I have are that side panel, and the top fan.

-Top is currently out, and that's because of my fear of it conflicting with the antec, if it were to go IN
-Side panel has nothing, because I don't want it conflicting with the GFX fans - I'm just thinking maybe if I put another one going IN, on the side, it would help direct air flow to the top of the case.
 
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That's very true.
Well in that case - I would have to check fans, and their positions in about a week.
I'm still trying to get a stable OC - which is proving to be much harder than I originally thought (P95 just failed after 1hr @4.2ghz)

You should really not be struggling to hit 4.2GHz on a Z77 board with a 3770k. What kind of voltages/settings do you have?

For reference I am currently at 4.6GHz on 1.25v Turbo on a Z77 ITX board with a 3570k.
 
You should really not be struggling to hit 4.2GHz on a Z77 board with a 3770k. What kind of voltages/settings do you have?

For reference I am currently at 4.6GHz on 1.25v Turbo on a Z77 ITX board with a 3570k.

Unfortunately bro - I am, quite lost in OCing it now.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18446658&page=3

Here's my thread on it.
Currently I'm using offset values - 0.05 was stable for 17hrs @ 4.2ghz
0.1 @4.2ghz failed after 1hr

I shall update that thread now with BIOS screenshots.
 
Put one foot in
Put one foot out
put one foot in
and shake it all about.

No temps, no fan speeds, no comprehensive of what what were doing what in any organized test run for temps.


Kapstad, I hope you have more patience for ID 10 T Q&A then the rest of us.. You will need it.

:Runs away shaking head:
 
You are using the Turbo offset right and not the CPU offset? No point in running high volts through it 24/7 let the turbo do the work.

I am using the CPU offset mate - I'm uploading a video with all my bios settings now.

By the way...Good guide here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1291703/ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide-asus-motherboards

Obviously I'm using an Asrock motherboard so the settings are different but you should pretty much guaranteed be able to hit 4.6GHz with moderate voltages no problem.

The Asus motherboards also have a good auto overclock feature, watch this video too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mkGQhE1o2w

Hope this helps.

Hey - well the video for starters I have tried that, but the AI suite II really screws around. It ends up underclocking my RAM to 1333, and then giving me over-voltage warnings.

As for that overclocker guide - indeed it is a very good guide and I was reading it earlier today.
Thanks for posting it anyway!


Put one foot in
Put one foot out
put one foot in
and shake it all about.

No temps, no fan speeds, no comprehensive of what what were doing what in any organized test run for temps.


Kapstad, I hope you have more patience for ID 10 T Q&A then the rest of us.. You will need it.

:Runs away shaking head:

Reported - thanks.
 
ah well - antec + every review don't push pull....so unfortunately I'll be sticking to my understand of that one, in going OUT the case.

fair enough, but its strange that Corsair recommend sucking in cool air from rear of case on their coolers.
and have u got the rear case fan fitted? if so, u already have it in push/pull as u have a fan each side of the rad :confused:
if u want, just try them that way, if not, then its upto u
 
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fair enough, but its strange that Corsair recommend sucking in cool air from rear of case on their coolers.
and have u got the rear case fan fitted? if so, u already have it in push/pull as u have a fan each side of the rad :confused:
if u want, just try them that way, if not, then its upto u

Corsair? Could be a different way of doing it, possibly.

But Antec say:
Air should be going out of the case via the fans.
Thus from inside the case both the fans are facing and blowing outwards to the back of the case.
Remember there is 2x fans, one on either side of the radiators - as you said, but both are facing in the same direction (out) :)
 
push pull means fitting 2 fans on your radiator... of course they both need to point in the same direction, one of them PUSHES through the radiator and the other one PULLS through the radiator

you are then kicking off and having a go at people and reporting them for trying to help

way to make friends

for best CPU temps you want cool air across the radiator, the way to do that is to pull cool air in from outside the case, if you can't even get 4.2ghz stable then it suggests that either you need to go back to basics and read some ivybridge overclocking guides, or the poxy little all in one piece of crap is running too hot

actually stating what CPU temp you are getting even after a few minutes of prime would help us to help you but whatever if you can't be arsed then neither can we

looking at your video you are only using +0.005 voltage... have you looked in CPU-Z to see what it is actually giving you? and have you tried increasing it?

what actual temps are you getting?
CPU, inside case, mobo, gpu... anything would be helpful rather than nothing

you also clearly have something screwed up on your PC, set everything to default and re-install windows

you've even looked on the asus forum and they tell you to re-install windows and you say "I'm not quite sure what to do"...
 
Remember there is 2x fans, one on either side of the radiators - as you said, but both are facing in the same direction (out) :)

yes that is a push pull config the first pushes are in(through the radiator) the second fan pulls the air out(of the radiator) = push/pull config

i think u need to calm down reporting people for trying to help then pointing out your not giving any info to help is just plain dumb people will stop helping you and from what i grasp that u know that will not be a good thing for you but no problem and less hassle for everyone else this is a very helpful forum with many knowledgeable people, totally dubbed a lot of people have come into this thread and given u sound advice which u yourself have decided to either a. argue with or b. ignore and not do. one of your arguments being antec say not to pull air in from outside so u wont do it thats fine its your choice but im pretty sure chip manufacturers dont want u upping voltages and stressing the cpu more by upping clock speeds so not sure what your getting at as your willing to do one but not the other,personally i would try it it makes sense to me and would probably drop temps a little.
is it seated properly?,what paste did u use? what method of paste spreading did u use?

you need to give people your idle temps,temps under load for all we know u could be running at below average temps and you dont realise it.

personally i would get your temp situation under control before messing around oc'ing as you will generate even more heat.
 
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push pull means fitting 2 fans on your radiator... of course they both need to point in the same direction, one of them PUSHES through the radiator and the other one PULLS through the radiator

you are then kicking off and having a go at people and reporting them for trying to help

way to make friends

for best CPU temps you want cool air across the radiator, the way to do that is to pull cool air in from outside the case, if you can't even get 4.2ghz stable then it suggests that either you need to go back to basics and read some ivybridge overclocking guides, or the poxy little all in one piece of crap is running too hot

actually stating what CPU temp you are getting even after a few minutes of prime would help us to help you but whatever if you can't be arsed then neither can we

looking at your video you are only using +0.005 voltage... have you looked in CPU-Z to see what it is actually giving you? and have you tried increasing it?

what actual temps are you getting?
CPU, inside case, mobo, gpu... anything would be helpful rather than nothing

you also clearly have something screwed up on your PC, set everything to default and re-install windows

you've even looked on the asus forum and they tell you to re-install windows and you say "I'm not quite sure what to do"...

It's funny what you read on the internet.
Found the cause of the problem - again as I had thought right - it is due to ASUS's programs.
AI Suite II and its fan control service
Diskunlocker service, whilst the thing is uninstalled.

Friend came in, and we looked at the bios together.
Went through the reg and also went through the start-up programs.
Disabled, and got rid of the asus crap - hey presto, windows boots as it should have done.
If it wasn't for me installing the asus stuff that came with the CD - the irony behind that statement is ridiculous, sorry I'm just ****ed off at asus here.

Now for stable - people have different definitions of stable.
My definition was 24hr stable.
I can however run 4.6ghz for 2hrs on prime, no problems. But then after that start getting problems.
Some would call that stable (including OC guides) but in my eyes, 4.6ghz for 2hrs is NOT stable. Again depends on what you do, but doing video rendering for 1hr is as intensive as p95, if not more as it would be using GPU too.

As for temps - again I've provided a lot of screenshots on my temps on my mobo on the OC'ing thread i created.
Unfortunately the help I got, didn't really work out for me, and for the last 2 pages in that thread, it's me reporting my progress.
Why might you ask:
Because next time someone google's it, they can see my working.

As for CPU voltage, yes I have, I even went to a 0.9 offset and got a BSOD, just for the heck of it.
Long story short:
I found the best way to OC is to do it myself.
Seems like there isn't anyone out there with the same configuration as me (highly improbable there isn't, but highly probable no one wants to chip in)

I'm just going to do the OC'ing myself - and by that I mean, even with some people's help which I highly respect (like that OC guide) it doesn't fully apply to me.
Then there's always some people that will flame me for asking simple questions and tell me: "you have no idea what your doing, why do it?"

Anyway - I'm actually getting annoyed at people not actually trying to work on what I've got.
It's almost like you got yourself a new sound system, and you are wondering where to place the speakers.
Instead of someone saying, 45 degrees left and right, the person starts talking about the mounts used to put the speakers on the wall.

I can't believe 2 simple (or so I thought) questions led people to flame me.
Makes me not want to post anything more over here.

yes that is a push pull config the first pushes are in(through the radiator) the second fan pulls the air out(of the radiator) = push/pull config

i think u need to calm down reporting people for trying to help then pointing out your not giving any info to help is just plain dumb people will stop helping you and from what i grasp that u know that will not be a good thing for you but no problem and less hassle for everyone else this is a very helpful forum with many knowledgeable people, totally dubbed a lot of people have come into this thread and given u sound advice which u yourself have decided to either a. argue with or b. ignore and not do. one of your arguments being antec say not to pull air in from outside so u wont do it thats fine its your choice but im pretty sure chip manufacturers dont want u upping voltages and stressing the cpu more by upping clock speeds so not sure what your getting at as your willing to do one but not the other,personally i would try it it makes sense to me and would probably drop temps a little.
is it seated properly?,what paste did u use? what method of paste spreading did u use?

you need to give people your idle temps,temps under load for all we know u could be running at below average temps and you dont realise it.

personally i would get your temp situation under control before messing around oc'ing as you will generate even more heat.

35c idle
70c max load (current oc profile)
 
My questions are:
-Do I need to suck air OUT or IN from the top - what would you suggest? I feel OUT is better as heat rises and it wouldn't then conflict with the Antec 920
-Should I add ANOTHER fan by the GFX - this is where the side panel is, and where there is no fan there currently (closed)
I was thinking of another AF140 to IN TAKE air into the case, so that the GFX gets a little bit of help.

1. out of the top
2. yes, an additional intake by the GPU should help

you want positive pressure (that is more fans blowing in than out) as this will help prevent dust build up (more fans blowing out will suck in air from any orrifice that it can which will suck in dust - fans sucking in through filters will then push air out of any orrifice they can pushing dust away from the case)
out at the top is generally a good idea as heat rises when it can

another tip that many people have pointed out already is that your CPU temps will drop if you reverse the 2 fans on the CPU cooler to suck in cold air
(I won't refer to push pull again as you don't seem to understand what that means)

ivybridge CPU's are more difficult to overclock than sandy, anything up to and over 4.5ghz is a bonus and above this you will need more voltage and heat will rise rapidly
 
alking about the mounts used to put the speakers on the wall.

I can't believe 2 simple (or so I thought) questions led people to flame me.
Makes me not want to post anything more over here.



35c idle
70c max load (current oc profile)
Was not your questions mate. It was your replies to our attempts to help. :rolleyes:
 
That's the reply i was looking for Andy.

Thanks a lot for that.

As for the push pull and intake for the antec, when i had it in the other direction, it meant hot air was in the case.
What would you suggest, and sorry if this would be repeated, from others have said. What would you say about each direction of the two antec fans? Both facing in? Thus blowing into the case?
As for the gpu fan, would you suggest a full blowing fan, by that i mean at max rpm, or at its lowest rpm?
I'm only saying that, in case full rpm conflicts with the gpu fans.
As i don't know what effect a fan will have on the gpu, if any.
 
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a fan blowing on my 560ti makes a difference of 71c-66c. as for the speed of the fan i played about with it until i was happy with the noise levels.
 
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