Need new IEMs, like Vsonic

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I'm a massive fan of the vsonic VSD3S, ever since Cookeh brought vsonic to our attention. But my mileage varies as far as how long they last. My first pair in 2015 lasted a year and 3 months before the left ear connection broke, and my second pair has just done that on the right ear but lasted 2 and half years. Well it's intermittent but I know it'll go completely soon so I need some new ones asap. I use them an awful lot everyday, for general music listening and as monitoring when recording drums. They're in my ears practically all day when I'm at home :p

They're not expensive, around £48 including shipping from lmue in singapore. So I suppose it's expected they might break after a year or two?

Soundwise they're perfect for me. It's really excellent articulate high quality audio, nice bass and wide sound staging. I honestly don't feel any need to improve on them.

So with all that said, I'm probably going to buy a 3rd pair.

But just wondering if there's anything else I'd like as much with the same quality, perhaps more durable, and perhaps can be ordered from Amazon so that I'd get them quicker? But no more expensive than the price of the vsonic.

Ones I'm considering are Fidue A73 which are selling for under £50 on Amazon and MEE audio M6 PRO.
 
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The forums for specific equipment are pretty good but the help forum really depends on a very small group of responders being on-line - if none of them are around then it's a bit of a wasteland.
Basically 99.99% of members never go near the help forum.


I post there under a different name. I think you saw my post as I noticed you were reading my thread :p Finally, after some sarcasm from me there (I know, I was a bit rude), someone replied lol. I'm seriously considering the iBasso IT01 now that's been recommended. It's £80 on amazon, £30 over by budget. BUT, with such a solid cable and detachable, it might serve me for longer than 2 years. I'm starting to read a big thread there about them. As the name suggests there's going to be strong bass, I just want to find out if there's good soundstage, and enough detail in the mids and treble.
 
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I'm going way over budget. I've just pre-ordered the iBasso IT01 for £80.99 from amp3 in Scotland. Just missed the last one, they're out of stock now but are getting 25 more in this Friday so I should receive by Friday week. Really excited, they're supposed to be amazing and they're raving about them on head-fi. Here's someone's review after first listening

"Bear in mind that an *extensive* burn in period is recommended for these IEM's (and the cable).
So accurate and reliable impressions may take a bit longer to filter through, depending on how long ago people received theirs.
I've just started listening to mine, non-stop for the last hour or so.
By way of comparison I have the IT03 ($300?) and the Noble Katana ($1650+).
With these $99 IEM's, my initial feeling is, I'm not really missing anything from the other IEM's.

They sound extremely good out of the box, but I'm going to reserve my judgement and more detailed feedback for once I've burned them in.
I'm just trying to help you out, but these are merely my initial impressions:
Lots of clarity, detail, soundstage. Soundstage possibly slightly less than IT03 (but that was huge, and this is still big), good bass presence and rumble and goes deep, but still with great tightness and detail. Top end possibly slightly less sharp than with IT03 (that's a good thing for me).
Combines detail and transparency with a pleasant musicality.

Listening to 'Shoot the Moon' by Norah Jones, 'Love Dies' by Club 8.
I love 'Shoot the Moon' and it's all sounding great here. It's a delicate little song though, and I'll need more time to think about this one. Her vocals sound lovely, but I enjoy the song so much anyway it's hard to listen critically, haha.
Holy cow. 'Love Dies' sounds jaw-dropping on these!!
I listened to it on the Alien+ earlier, but on the DX200 with AMP5 (no chance to compare yet with other combos), the sharp highs in the song are tamed slightly, but there's still extension and sparkle in the treble and the vocals just soar.
Excuse me while I kiss the sky.
This really is amazing "




Also just ordered the TFZ Exclusive 3 for £45 from Penon Audio in Hong Kong, also meant to be very musical IEMs. I'm smitten by the half aluminium and half red and blue enclosures, they look so nice. I believe Penon delivery is very fast and might arrive next week too.
 
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Nice, I hope they are exactly what you're looking for. I'll be interested to hear what you think of them once you've had them for a bit.
I'm currently listening to the Norah Jones track mentioned in your quote via my Fidue A73s and I am bemused as to how they can be on sale for less than £50. I am sorely tempted to take the plunge and get the A83 at £180 :D

ps. I've been reading more about the IT01 - I need to put my wallet somewhere out of easy access. :D

It's tempting isn't it. :D

Yeah, I 've seen this a fair bit on head-fi where people are saying they can't believe the sound or cable quality for a particular sub £100 or sub £50 iem. Mostly referring to the new wave of inexpensive 'chi-fi' iems from asia.

The A83 are beautiful looking iems. :) Although the IT01 are half the price, I've no idea how they stand up to the Fidue but going on the impressions of the reviewer who was able to say the IT01 is similar in sound quality to $1650+ iems, I'd like to see what head-fi would say about a direct comparison of A83 v IT01. You should definitely post there and ask them, I'd love to see for myself what their opinions are. I suspect the A83 would probably come out on top and perhaps are more in line with the more expensive IT03, but be interesting to see.

I'll post my thoughts on the IT01 and the TFZ E3. I'm not using my VSD3S anymore until they arrive so that I can make comparisons. If the Vsonics completely break now, I won't be able to.


By the way, check out here from post #3056 'Do you think a83 is still a good buy coming from a73?'
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/fid...scussion-thread.725161/page-204#post-13899671
 
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Yeah, I think the A83 might have had it's day - at least my A73, Brinwavz are still going strong :)

I've just found this for you on head-fi that might help your decision if you're still toying with the idea of getting iBasso :) Interestingly, the iBasso IT03 on amazon is £299, but I've just checked Penon Audio and they're $259 which is £193 and free shipping. That's close to the £180 at Amazon for the A83 and possibly puts it into your price range. The A83 on Penon is actually more expensive $339.

Q: Would you say the A83 gets more sibilant in the vocals? I want the iem that brings out the most details in all frequencies as for it will only be used just for listening and no other activities. I was also looking at the Ibasso IT03 and the LZ A4, out of the four iems, which has the best detail retrieval and clarity? I want the iem that is crystal clear but still with a nice bass rumble and impact. I listen to a lot of edm and The Prodigy but also Calle 13 and instrumentals.

A: I have the A83 and the IT03. I can tell you without a doubt, the IT03 are better in every respect. They share a similar sound signature, but the IT03 are better resolving, have better separation, better integration of the balance and dynamic drivers, better fit (for me), better bass highs and mids. Think of the A83 as a smaller circle inside of a bigger circle, which would be the IT03. My main squabble with the A83 vs. the IT03 would be that the A83 mids (vocals) don't sound as natural as the IT03. They are nearly the same price too.
 
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Right, that's the A83 firmly scrubbed off my IEM list :D

Honestly, that IT01 is looking extremely tempting

Go for it! :D

I just watched a video review about the IT03. The stock cable is thinner than the IT01 which surprised me considering it's the more expensive of the two iems. Everyone is raving about the cable on the IT01 being built like a tank and apparently some who have the IT03 are using the IT01 cable. Also, the IT03 has a unique shape but some complain about fit. So those are two things to consider. Also, some who have both said they prefer the IT01 overall.

Here you go,

You can get both colours here.
https://penonaudio.com/ibasso-it01.html

or here, only the black in stock by end of the week. Use code STAY10P for 10% off.

https://www.advancedmp3players.co.u..._Multi-layered_Graphene_Driver_IEM.15171.html
 
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Well they've arrived and the presentation and content is really nice, and the feel of the buds and cable is quite premium imo. :) I've not had a chance to try them for more than 30 seconds. The silicone tips pre fitted are some small ones which give me no bass, but small tips never do, I always need large tips for a good seal. They've supplied a ton of silicone and foam tips. I'll post my thoughts sometime later today.


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Alright guys, I've been A/Bing for hours, going back and forth between the Vsonic VSD3S and the iBasso IT01. First thing I had to do was find two pairs of tips that gave me about the same sound and amount of bass just on the VSD3S so that I could put one pair on the IT01 and give fair comparison without having to remove the tips from one and keep putting them on the other. Now that I've done my testing, I found my favourite tips which gives me maximum low end response.

rids, I know what you mean about the loose cable. In use though it's absolutely fine and stays uniform along the length. https://s15.postimg.cc/ogn7aeey3/20180613_180341.jpg

Before saying anything else, it's worth noting for you rids and Samyboy this which I quote from someone on head-fi:

"the a73 is warmer and to my ears has a little more natural, analog-sounding tonality; the IT01 has better-etched bass, a bit more treble emphasis and might be a little more coherent overall, although again they are quite similar, as both are full-sounding, immersive and have excellent instrument separation. in terms of quality, they're a coin flip-"

So here's my thoughts on the iBasso IT01. I don't really understand much about things like upper mids, mid bass hump, sparkle, etc so I'll just describe as best I can. I've only been testing them since last night so I know they have hours of breaking in to do. I don't know what improvements that brings and I think they sound great right now. I've got them connected to my laptop via my FiiO E11K with the FiiO gain switch on high. Sounded good with low gain but the high gain is where it's at for me, really drives the sound better. I also tried with the bass switch on but it's kind of unnecessary when the gain is on high. It adds a bit more weight to the bass but borders on overkill and muddying it up. Also tested directly to laptop and sounds very good. Not much difference but I think the FiiO possibly cleans up the sound a little.

Actually, correction on that sentence, it's much crisper and more revealing with the Fii0.

I only have my Vsonic VSD3S to compare to, I don't know what the A73 sounds like. Tthank goodness the right ear didn't completely lose connection yet so I could compare. Let me first say I still think the VSD3S is a fantastic iem and that these are a very worthy upgrade.

Not the easiest to see which is the left and right earphone on the black ones even though it's faintly printed on, but I can tell which is which now. They're definitely a bit louder than VSD3S. The VSD3S to me have really good soundstage, good amount of detail and good bass. These are even better. Both iems are very comfortable. The IT01 fit my ears very nicely which I'm pleased about as I read some people have problems with that.

Of all the tips included, only the large ones give me proper bass. Neither of the foam ones give me bass. In the end, my favourite tips are these silicone ones I've circled. They're large but slightly flatter profile and have the largest holes. https://s15.postimg.cc/spmtsa9sb/Inked8_LI.jpg


Really enjoying the IT01 so far! Here are the songs I tested. All from youtube so obviously compressed but they're pretty high quality, and for me, it's a fair comparison against the Vsonics as I mostly listen to music on youtube. If you listen to only one piece below, make it the Bill Meyers one.

Bill Meyers -images- Voyager Prelude & Liftoff. This a part classical, part jazz fusion piece. Incredible composition with world class players. I think it makes for a great iem test track and it's more than well presented in the IT01 to my ears. This is the first piece of music that made me notice how good the mids are compared to my vsonics. The horns sound incredible and the thing that really got my attention is I could hear the raspiness of the trombone, it has a lot of bite/edge/attack. I didn't really notice it on the Vsonics, it was there but soft, but on these it stands out beautifully, like wow.
The bass drum has such a solid deep thump but not muddy and still has the initial transient attack/slap of the beater on each stroke. The guitars are very present, slightly left of centre. Lovely sprinkling of glockenspiel that again, is more forward and stand out on these more than my vsonics. Amazing imaging, wide soundstage. Bass guitar has a warm tight sound, low enough and some detailed crisp slap bass moments.

John Mayer - Gravity. Bass drum super deep and punchy. Warm full sounding bass guitar. Vocal very close to my face, like being in the studio with him. Crisp and clear. Guitars again slightly left of centre, nicely imaged and upfront, compared to being a bit recessed with the Vsonics.
Gregory Porter - Holding On. Just gorgeous! It's a stunning ballad so sounds good on anything but it's even nicer on these. Nice soundstage here. Piano is the main instrument here with luscious chords soothing your soul. Light snare drum work keeping the groove, underpinned with a gentle bass drum. Little details like tambourine stand out that I didn't really notice on the Vsonics. Miles Davis style trumpet in the instrumental break is crisp and detailed.

Massive Attack - Angel. Bass heavy track. These handle the sub bass brilliantly, ear canal shaking for me. Love it.

Knower - Time Traveler. I guess this would be called electronica. Sounds very powerful on these with some serious sub bass notes.

Knower - Hanging On. Love this song. Drum sound is fairly heavily studio compressed, sounds fat on these earphones.

Overall I would say they're very detailed, full sounding iems with excellent bass and mids, and to my ears, nothing shrill or silbilant with the treble. if you were coming from a very cheap earphone, these would be utterly jaw dropping. But coming from a good quality earphone like my Vsonics, it's not so much jawdropping although there are some jawdropping moments, but certainly astounding resolution which makes them very very enjoyable to listen to.
 
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The best test is to spend a week listening to the IT01 and then go back to the Vsonic - that should really highlight the differences

I agree, I'll do that. But these are really good. Everything is so much crisper and more bold, rounded, fuller, detailed than the Vsonic. Apparently, after many hours of burn in the bass refines itself. I wish I knew what your Fidues sounded like so I could tell you if you should go buy them or not. I have no idea if they're different enough from what you're already experiencing. But they are very nicely built and sound awesome to me. I'm excited to hear what the TFZ Exclusive 3 sounds like when they arrive.
 
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I'll have to wait a bit anyway, still recovering from buying my Beyer DT1990's and a new washing machine :D

Wow, those DT1990s look gorgeous, and £434! How do they sound? 250 ohms, they'll need some driving like my old HD580s. Understandable you need to recover. :p

But putting temptation further your way, I just found out amp3 has a new discount code.

Father15 is currently giving 15% off :)

That brings the iBasso down to £76.49. I missed out on that, got mine with 10% discount.
 
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The DT1990's are glorious, the bass is phenomenal, it digs really deep and has tons of slam. Actually I can't think of one negative about them, my HiFiMan HE400i's and Senn HD650's are hanging forlornly on their stands, they rarely get a look in. :D
I'm driving them through a Schiit Modi Multibit DAC and Schiit Magni 3 amp, a pairing that punches way above it's weight.

As for the price, I waited and waited and got a flash sale on a warehouse deal - as new for £330 :)

That's some really good gear you have, or, good Schiit you have :D I always wanted a pair of DT770, they were always renowned for bass, but they're dated now and I'm sure your 1990 pees all over them. I love the styling of all the HifiMan headphones I've seen. Just last night saw a HiFiMan 350 for $100 on massdrop. Don't know how good they are though for that price.
 
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Currently sitting here with Al Di Meola, Paco de Lucia and John McLaughlin sat around my head playing Beyond the Mirage (from the guitar trio) - the imaging on these Beyers is insane :D

I may end up getting the IT01's closer to the end of the month, specially if there is a nice deal on them

Good idea. I would think that with a beast like your Beyers, the sound quality you're getting would probably overshadow any in ear monitors. Well, unless it's an Audeze LCD-i4. :D
 
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