Need to run a 10m extension to parents router. What is the best method?

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My parents have just signed up for broadband and they are having some connectivity issues. Basically their BT socket is in the hall but their is no power socket there and putting one in will be a bit of a task!

So, they need to run an extension so that their wireless router can get both power and a phone connection. They currently have one in place but it is 25m (with the excess cable stashed in the loft), of low cable quality and has a broken connector. Straight into the socket I was downloading open office at a steady 88kbps. via the extension I got 7 - 8 kbps!

What I'm wondering is what the best method is to wire a new one. Should I split the signal with a microfilter first then run a 10m cable to the router or should I run a 10m phone extension then split it just before the router. Or in graphical terms in case I didn't explain that very well...

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Any help would be great!
 
The latter is preferable, but definitely buy new cable.
If you can get your hands on shielded CW1308 cable that would be ideal (It is pretty rare though).

Once the microfilter has 'split' the signal, you want a minimal amount of distance for it to travel.
Any additional noise injected into the line at this point will be hammering the modem directly.
 
Why dont you just have the router next to the master socket, phone and microfilter, and use a cat5 to connect to the machine?

cat5 is for long distance networking, telephone / adsl cables arn't. They're also flimsy and likely to break. cat5 is much more reliable.

That way you just need a very long cat5.
 
unp|dissy said:
Why dont you just have the router next to the master socket, phone and microfilter, and use a cat5 to connect to the machine?

cat5 is for long distance networking, telephone / adsl cables arn't. They're also flimsy and likely to break. cat5 is much more reliable.

That way you just need a very long cat5.
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He has no way of powering the modem next to the master socket. But your idea of using cat 5 is the way to go. If I was in the OP's situation I would run a cat 5 cable from the master socket to the location of the modem.
 
I would run a power extension to the master socket, personally.

You are going to be running extension cables for telephone/cat5 anyway so why not do the option which will produce the best results, even if it is a little more work.
 
shine said:
He has no way of powering the modem next to the master socket. But your idea of using cat 5 is the way to go. If I was in the OP's situation I would run a cat 5 cable from the master socket to the location of the modem.
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Ahh, that sucks!.

Didnt notice that.
 
Sp00n said:
I would run a power extension to the master socket, personally.

You are going to be running extension cables for telephone/cat5 anyway so why not do the option which will produce the best results, even if it is a little more work.
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This.

You'll thank us if you use cat5. I do the same thing, and have tested both methods :)
 
Id suggest that you add a ower extension rather than an adsl extension or a telephone extension.

I've seen cases where a 5m extension cables has more than halved peoples speeds.
 
As for your diagram, it depends where you want the phone. Other than that it doesn't make a difference where the filter goes.

10m of quality phone cable extending the line won't make a difference considering it's already done thousands of metres before it gets to your house.
 
I would not go with extending the telephone cable, just opening yourself up to problems with your ADSL.
 
Caged said:
As for your diagram, it depends where you want the phone. Other than that it doesn't make a difference where the filter goes.

10m of quality phone cable extending the line won't make a difference considering it's already done thousands of metres before it gets to your house.
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You'd be suprised tbh
 
I said quality phone cable. As long as it's a twisted pair and not some awful flat thing it won't make a difference.
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
Once the microfilter has 'split' the signal, you want a minimal amount of distance for it to travel.
Any additional noise injected into the line at this point will be hammering the modem directly.
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The filter is only for the 'phone' side of the filter. It makes no difference to the ADSL.
 
csmager said:
The filter is only for the 'phone' side of the filter. It makes no difference to the ADSL.
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Today I Learned how voiceband and broadband devices can interfere with eachother:
Wiki said:
Without DSL filters, signals or echoes from analog devices at the top of their frequency range can result in reduced performance and connection problems with DSL service, while those from the DSL service at the bottom of its range can result in line noise and other issues for analog devices.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSL_filter
 
I'd go with the former (A).

I had the same problem myself and running an extension and then filtering produced a lower sync speed and more line errors (monitoring the line with Routerstats on a DG834GT), this was with about 3-4 extensions and similar amounts of filters.

Best solution for a solid connection is to fit a NTE5 adsl filter (Google it) into the master socket and run a separate ADSL cable and phone cable to where ever you need them.
I used an ADSLNation Pro+ RJ11 - RJ11 cable for the router to master socket connection.
 
csmager said:
The filter is only for the 'phone' side of the filter. It makes no difference to the ADSL.
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But the filter, therefor the rj11 lead, should be as short as possible hence (despite what was said) a is the preferred method. Short phone-cable, long Ethernet cable.

Technically the best way to filter is at the point of entry into the home hence bt used filtered faceplates on newer sockets. You can find a XTE-2005 and shielded (Belkin) rj11 cable for less than £15.
 
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