New 2012 MBP IMAC Details inside

Marky said:
Did you read the article?

Sounds pretty solid to me. These sort of benchmark leaks occur just before a release quite often. It's likely a controlled leak from Apple.
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Did you read the article? They make no mention of the benchmark and only reference "trusted sources" as well as explicitely stating "rumour".

At this point nothing is confirmed. And whilst geek bench results have been found in the wild previous to releases, it's by no means a common occurrence that happens "quite often".
 
pingwing said:
Apple have never been one to shy away form dropping things they think are in the way. I'd swap it for a 4th usb port any day of the week, then just chuck in a £10 usb-ethernet thing for free with the laptop and everyone is happy (plus its the main thing dictating the hight of the mac book pro)
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I'd rather have a slightly thicker model (the current MacBook Pro is fine) than loose an Ethernet port and have to carry around some silly USB attachment. If you don't need a DVD Drive or an ethernet port then the MacBook Air makes more sense.

I know WiFi is prevalent in everyone's homes now, but in most office environments, certainly where you would be using a Pro model to effect you need to be using ethernet, sometimes because there is no other choice.
 
^ i agree. i personally dont think they should drop the dvd drive and especially not the ethernet. its a pro model. its used for things that need a bit more umph. im looking at one of the new ones. i will be using it for some video stuff from time to time. transferring over wifi just seems silly. i dont care about the thickness. i think its perfect as it is
 
Nexus said:
I'd rather have a slightly thicker model (the current MacBook Pro is fine) than loose an Ethernet port and have to carry around some silly USB attachment. If you don't need a DVD Drive or an ethernet port then the MacBook Air makes more sense.

I know WiFi is prevalent in everyone's homes now, but in most office environments, certainly where you would be using a Pro model to effect you need to be using ethernet, sometimes because there is no other choice.
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I think you're over estimating the size of a usb attachment, some are more or less the size of a usb pen drive, hardly a big ask if it means a much greater flexibility in design for the laptop.

There are times where wired network is a much better option, but I don't think apple really will sacrifice some sort of redesign because an ethernet port is the must have thing on a laptop for some people...

zhx said:
^ i agree. i personally dont think they should drop the dvd drive and especially not the ethernet. its a pro model. its used for things that need a bit more umph. im looking at one of the new ones. i will be using it for some video stuff from time to time. transferring over wifi just seems silly. i dont care about the thickness. i think its perfect as it is
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I would expect them to cut the dvd drive on the pro after the slightly ruthless cut on the mini. The software to remote access another computers dvd drive has existed for years and I think is what they are trying to push more if you really need it (or bump the sale of super drives).

Either way having to include both severely limits the space and design of the pro, there's no way to change and improve without dropping either/both. The dvd just takes up too much internal space to allow the 13" a dedicated graphics card (which I'v missed on mine) and the ethernet keeps it from being quite so slim. Taking the dvd drive away could also open up for a bigger battery, which is always a good idea.

It might not suit everyones needs, but it'll be a better move for apple in design terms and showing what they think their products are for.
 
It's a step backwards if they get rid of the ethernet port though.

Sure it might make it a tiny bit thinner, but it's a poor compromise when laptops from every other manufacturer have them.

Sure it might only require a small ethernet USB adapter, but it's still something you would have to remember to carry around with you and compromises its use as a normal laptop if you forget it. If I've got to carry a USB adapter and DVD drive with me all the time, what's the point in having that tiny little reduction in size of the laptop when they take up far more room as separate units?

Like I said before, if size is the most important thing to the user, then get a MacBook Air, which is designed to be as thin as possible.

If Apple get rid of an ethernet port on the Pro models, it would demonstrate how much the Pro name attached to their hardware and software has been really dummed down.
 
PardonTheWait said:
I thought that about the iPad as well and I was dead wrong
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With the iPad it was obvious though. They PPI was low, quadruple it, easy. They did with the iPhone, it was obvious they would have to with the iPad. With Macs, it is nowhere near as simple. You use an iPad and iPhone up close. A computer, particularly a desktop, you don't.
 
uniQ said:
Did you read the article? They make no mention of the benchmark and only reference "trusted sources" as well as explicitely stating "rumour".

At this point nothing is confirmed. And whilst geek bench results have been found in the wild previous to releases, it's by no means a common occurrence that happens "quite often".
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I still say it's fairly solid. It happened in 2010 a few months before the release of the new Macbook Pros.
 
The Thunderbolt Display has an Ethernet port doesn't it? I guess Apple assume anyone using a Pro in an environment where network connectivity is provided through a cable then it'd be connected through that and into the MBP via TB.
 
Skyboat said:
The Thunderbolt Display has an Ethernet port doesn't it? I guess Apple assume anyone using a Pro in an environment where network connectivity is provided through a cable then it'd be connected through that and into the MBP via TB.
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I wonder if they realise that 99% of studios that I know of don't have the money to spank on those monitors...
 
lamboman said:
There won't be retina displays in the next model. Those "rumours" come from an ABC article, which have simply compiled the old rumours together.

It would be extremely expensive to manufacture, to say the least.
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Well they have 'retina' displays in a £400 tablet, Asus will be fitting 1080p displays to their 11.6" ultrabook etc. so for the MBPs it's not impossible.

Of course if you mean the iMac then no, they likely won't at that size although 4k screens are becoming a little more common.
 
Nexus said:
It's a step backwards if they get rid of the ethernet port though.

Sure it might make it a tiny bit thinner, but it's a poor compromise when laptops from every other manufacturer have them.

Sure it might only require a small ethernet USB adapter, but it's still something you would have to remember to carry around with you and compromises its use as a normal laptop if you forget it. If I've got to carry a USB adapter and DVD drive with me all the time, what's the point in having that tiny little reduction in size of the laptop when they take up far more room as separate units?

Like I said before, if size is the most important thing to the user, then get a MacBook Air, which is designed to be as thin as possible.

If Apple get rid of an ethernet port on the Pro models, it would demonstrate how much the Pro name attached to their hardware and software has been really dummed down.
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I completely agree. There will come a point, and perhaps this is it, where Apple can no longer push for form when it results in a sacrifice in function. Yes the super drive was cut from the Mac Mini (personally I think that was unnecessary, however many competitor mini-PCs also do not include optical drives so fair enough). However losing the super drive and Ethernet port from the MBP range pushes it down in terms of features vs its rivals. Yes there are workarounds as people suggest eg USB Ethernet adaptor, but this is ungainly and shouldn't be necessary. If Ethernet is the size limiting factor, they could always redesign the plug/socket and release a new cable... Either way I think a wired connection option is still essential.
 
Doohickey said:
If Ethernet is the size limiting factor, they could always redesign the plug/socket and release a new cable... Either way I think a wired connection option is still essential.
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My guess is that the thunderbolt port is the replacement option. My 2011 MBP is connected to my thunderbolt display. I have the ethernet and various USB peripherals connected to the display. The one port/cable is able supply everything.

It means it is very easy to unplug the MBP when I want to take it away and I'm not constantly unplugging cables. Although I wouldn't be too happy about having to buy a thunderbolt to ethernet adaptor so I hope Apple would include it.
 
Ethernet is no big loss tbh... Plenty of wifi about, hot spots with phones etc... and they sell a USB to ethernet adaptor. Makes sense to get rid of it (IMHO).

I kind of get the feeling that it is not a new 15" MBP but a 15" MBA...

Edit... I don't quite get the 2 thunderbolt ports, what with the daisy chaining capabilities
 
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sbi5ar said:
Ethernet is no big loss tbh... Plenty of wifi about, hot spots with phones etc... and they sell a USB to ethernet adaptor. Makes sense to get rid of it (IMHO).
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That's fine until you go into a workplace and the only way to connect is via Ethernet, because:

- Most workplace networks are setup using ethernet.
- WiFi isn't deemed secure enough by most business I've worked at for anything other than client web browsing an e-mail.

It's also no good people saying that it doesn't matter because your monitor has thunderbolt with ethernet ports... well that's fine if you've invested in Thunderbolt technology as a desktop replacement at home, however, most businesses have not invested in Thunderbolt technology, especially pricey Apple gear, who largely are the only people producing and really touting Thunderbolt at the moment.

I was also not aware that the USB adapters on the market for ethernet aren't gigabit, which is another reason why it's not an acceptable replacement for a Pro model to loose it's port.
 
Doohickey said:
I completely agree. There will come a point, and perhaps this is it, where Apple can no longer push for form when it results in a sacrifice in function. Yes the super drive was cut from the Mac Mini (personally I think that was unnecessary, however many competitor mini-PCs also do not include optical drives so fair enough). However losing the super drive and Ethernet port from the MBP range pushes it down in terms of features vs its rivals. Yes there are workarounds as people suggest eg USB Ethernet adaptor, but this is ungainly and shouldn't be necessary. If Ethernet is the size limiting factor, they could always redesign the plug/socket and release a new cable... Either way I think a wired connection option is still essential.
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I don't, when does anyone ever use optical drives now? Never, how often do I use the Ethernet on my laptop? Mayb once a year for a coulple of hours.

People sometimes are stuck in the past, on every single one of apples removal of 'standard hardware' in history they have been dead on the money. I remember when they never included floppy disk drives and people moaning that there will always be a need for one, how wrong we're they.
 
Nexus said:
That's fine until you go into a workplace and the only way to connect is via Ethernet, because:

- Most workplace networks are setup using ethernet.
- WiFi isn't deemed secure enough by most business I've worked at for anything other than client web browsing an e-mail.

It's also no good people saying that it doesn't matter because your monitor has thunderbolt with ethernet ports... well that's fine if you've invested in Thunderbolt technology as a desktop replacement at home, however, most businesses have not invested in Thunderbolt technology, especially pricey Apple gear, who largely are the only people producing and really touting Thunderbolt at the moment.

I was also not aware that the USB adapters on the market for ethernet aren't gigabit, which is another reason why it's not an acceptable replacement for a Pro model to loose it's port.
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To combat this... Don't buy the new 15" MBP and stick with the old one :p If by the time you come to replace it you need an ethernet port, buy the 17" or get something else. CombatSquirrel is right below...

Combat squirrel said:
I don't, when does anyone ever use optical drives now? Never, how often do I use the Ethernet on my laptop? Mayb once a year for a coulple of hours.

People sometimes are stuck in the past, on every single one of apples removal of 'standard hardware' in history they have been dead on the money. I remember when they never included floppy disk drives and people moaning that there will always be a need for one, how wrong we're they.
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Agree and it is best summed up by Steve Jobs "people don't know what they want until you show it to them". Ok it needs a little rephrasing but in some respects (not all) apple are always one step ahead...

They haven't gone down the blu-ray pathway as they are pushing digital media which ultimately is becoming more and more common and will take over blu ray (IMHO).

People got over the removal of DVI connections and a switch to mini-DP etc... The masses will get over the removal of ethernet and a switch to a thunderbolt adaptor FACT*

*not fact but dammit it's close :p
 
sbi5ar said:
To combat this... Don't buy the new 15" MBP and stick with the old one :p If by the time you come to replace it you need an ethernet port, buy the 17" or get something else. CombatSquirrel is right below...
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Well in future I might have to, as Gigabit Ethernet is essential in every place I've worked.

Agree and it is best summed up by Steve Jobs "people don't know what they want until you show it to them". Ok it needs a little rephrasing but in some respects (not all) apple are always one step ahead...

They haven't gone down the blu-ray pathway as they are pushing digital media which ultimately is becoming more and more common and will take over blu ray (IMHO).

People got over the removal of DVI connections and a switch to mini-DP etc... The masses will get over the removal of ethernet and a switch to a thunderbolt adaptor FACT*

*not fact but dammit it's close :p
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Floppy disks were dead, the only reason they kept going for a while was because they were necessary on Windows systems for drivers and bios. With Apple taking care of everything on their systems, they were able to do away with them quite quickly.

Similarly with a DVD drive, they've been pushing their online content delivery system more than anything, so it's understandable that they would try to slowly move away from discs in order to increase their own sales model.

I'll admit that DVD is something which in a work environment I don't use as much as I used to do, but Ethernet is and it's not a technology that is just being replaced by something else and won't anytime soon either.
 
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