New AMD CPU's

[jennidc]

New Bulldozer chips soon apparantly - FX-8140 (3.2-4.1Ghz) , FX-6120 (3.5-4.1) and FX-4150 (3.9-4.1ghz)

All are 95w 9 (there may be a 125w version of the 8 core also) so should OC well.

The 4 core has 12mb cache, 14mb on the 6 core and 8 core is 16mb cache.

Hopefully the extra cache will help performance - or at the very least force Intel to drop the price of the i5 2500k

Fingers crossed for some improvements in clock performance - if it could match the phenom 2 clock for clock and overclock to 5ghz that would be nice.

 

[Marine-RX179]

Hate to say this...but Bulldozer is a lost cause.

And even with hyped up marketing, people that are in the know would already know by now that the so called "8, 6, 4 cores" Bulldozer are nothing but "4, 3, 2 cores" CPU with AMD's version of Hyperthreading.

 

[Mookzen]

But but... but... 8 cores *AMD*

 

[ng93]

Hopefully the 95w 8 core means GloFlos 32nm is working how it should, so power consumption down and oc headroom up.

Bulldozer is far from a lost cause, even Zambezi has potential and already works well in certain scenarios.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Basically in four to five months AMD have done the following:

FX8150 - 125W. No change

FX8120 -125W at launch. Touted 95W version only available in December. Now all FX8120 are 95W,not some.

FX8140 - 100MHZ speed bump of FX8120 and still 95W

FX6200 - new 125W TDP FX6100 series SKU with a 600MHZ speed bump over the 95W FX6100.

FX6120 - 200MHZ speed bump over the FX6100 at the same 95W TDP

FX4170 - new 125W TDP SKU with a 600MHZ speedbump over the 95W FX4100

FX4120 - new 95W TDP SKU with a 300MHZ speedbump over the 95W FX4100

It does seem things are improving a bit more. Hopefully,Vishera will be out sooner than later though. Usually AMD has only 100MHZ speed bumps at the same TDP every three to six months.

To the OP these are all speed bumps but bigger than normal by AMD standards. However,IPC has not changed.

 

[spain]

Bulldozer is far from a lost cause, even Zambezi has potential and already works well in certain scenarios.

^This. AMD need to up their game now.

 

[mmj_uk]

The 4 core has 12mb cache, 14mb on the 6 core and 8 core is 16mb cache.

Hopefully the extra cache will help performance - or at the very least force Intel to drop the price of the i5 2500k

Those cache sizes are no different to the current chips, FX-8 was always advertised as having 16MB cache (8MB L2+8MB L3), the current FX-6 6100 has 14MB (6MB L2+8MB L3) and FX-4 4100 has 12MB (4MB L2+8MB L3).

These could just be cherry picked to run at lower TDP like the old 1055T 95W, if the process had really come on leaps and bounds I'd have expected there to be a successor to the 8150 to get closer to Intel.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

These could just be cherry picked to run at lower TDP like the old 1055T 95W.

It looks like the FX8120 has transitioned entirely to a 95W version.

Here is the article:

http://www.techpowerup.com/160709/Three-New-95-W-AMD-FX-Series-Processors-Coming-Up.html

 

[IvanDobskey]

Really wanted some competition for intel, such a shame Bulldozer is so poor

 

[rare]

It's a genuine real shame. A lot of us would have no doubt bought one. I think by the time AMD make them competitive Intels IB will be along to slaughter them.

 

[Curio]

Don't sweat it. It's been this way for a long time. They both go through periods of making great chips and not-so-great chips. As long as neither of them drop the ball big time like 3dfx did a few years back in the video market

 

[jennidc]

Ahh 3dfx -loved my 3dfx Voodoo 1 card QuakeGL heaven

 

[Freddie1980]

AMD aren't exactly a million miles away from Intel, an FX8120 with a small overclock can hold it's own against against a stock i5 2500 in most situations and costs less. The value is there from AMD you just have to tear yourself away from the FUD and look at the facts.

 

[sehcure]

Hate to say this...but Bulldozer is a lost cause.

And even with hyped up marketing, people that are in the know would already know by now that the so called "8, 6, 4 cores" Bulldozer are nothing but "4, 3, 2 cores" CPU with AMD's version of Hyperthreading.

How do you know that these aren't the best processors ever seen commercially ever?

The answer is you don't yet so..don't act like you do.
I for one await the release and subsequent benchmarks.

 

[Mr Krugga]

Don't sweat it. It's been this way for a long time. They both go through periods of making great chips and not-so-great chips. As long as neither of them drop the ball big time like 3dfx did a few years back in the video market

Intel has been going mighty strong since Core2Duo, that's almost 6 years now.

 

[Marine-RX179]

How do you know that these aren't the best processors ever seen commercially ever?

The answer is you don't yet so..don't act like you do.
I for one await the release and subsequent benchmarks.

As mentioned above by another member...lower power consumption, and a bit higher overclock they may be, with the IPC being the same...it's not gonna change the game entirely it is as simple as that. So before you go try to "correct" someone, you should probably learn more on the subject first.

 

[Gashman]

AMD aren't exactly a million miles away from Intel, an FX8120 with a small overclock can hold it's own against against a stock i5 2500 in most situations and costs less. The value is there from AMD you just have to tear yourself away from the FUD and look at the facts.

running a 8120 right now, the 'anti-hype' is ******** they are perfectly usable processors and won't remotely hamper your computing experience. haven't noticed a difference between this and friends Intel system, since we don't play games at ultra ultra low resolution, and everything else, encoding, day to day stuff, decompressing archives and such Bulldozer is pretty strong anyway.

has some really really interesting characteristics with tweaking, like voltage scaling (which is fantastic and never seems to stop), peculiar non-linear scaling with frequency which I think is entirely down to the cache set-up being geared toward high frequency operation and couple of other interesting quirks.

 

[marms]

Intel has been going mighty strong since Core2Duo, that's almost 6 years now.

That depends on the kind of uses you have for your computer, running my computer 24/7 in my bedroom my first concern is silence, i have 2 systems, one using an Intel Atom D510 dual core @ 1.66Ghz with Next Generation NVIDIA® ION™ (w/512MB DDR3 memory), the other an AMD E-350 @ 1.6Ghz with AMD on-chip graphics.

Both systems are virtually silent and fast enough for my use, Surfing internet, watching videos, office (excel, word) ext. the AMD system is by far the most responsive and a lot faster when it comes to any demanding tasks like the odd video encode, as some would say it "destroys" the Intel.

So unless you play games or do some processor intensive task the AMD E-Series system is by far the best buy.

 

[Jay85]

As someone mentioned before, new architecture will have it's teething problems and takes time for these companies to improve and make full use of it. Give it time, something good may still come from this inital low for AMD.

 

[Zuban]

is there any dates for these or even vishera yet? the fx6100 is tempting me right now as a i have a 990fx board i cant get rid off, and for 3d rendering the fx6100 seems to be pretty good value for money, but i am having trouble hitting the buy button on it yet.