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ArcticFrenzy

ArcticFrenzy

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ok so i was planning to get a build made by overclockers as i lack time and workspace to make one right now. any changes i should make?

SSSeasonic Prime PX-1000 1000W 80 Plus Platinum Modular Power Supply
* Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH RGB MIDI-TOWER CASE
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Sixteen Core 4.9GHz
Cooler Master MasterFan MF120 Halo ARGB LED with Controller - Triple Pack - 120mm
GeForce RTX 3080 TUF Gaming V2 LHR 10GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card
Seagate 1TB BarraCuda HDD 7200rpm 64MB Cache Internal Hard Drive
Seagate 12TB IronWolf NAS 7200RPM HDD 256MB Cache Internal Hard Drive
Seagate Firecuda 510 1TB SSD PCIe NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive
Corsair Hydro Series iCUE H150i PRO XT RGB Performance Liquid Cooler - 360mm
MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WiFi (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 ATX Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO Black 32GB (2x16GB) 3600MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4

apparently the PSU stock doesnt exist and i was not 100% sure about the case, thought for changes?
 
For what are you going to be using this PC?

I'm not seeing the point in two HDDs: get yourself a SATA SSD or second NVME drive instead of the 1 TB HDD.
 
Quartz said:
For what are you going to be using this PC?

I'm not seeing the point in two HDDs: get yourself a SATA SSD or second NVME drive instead of the 1 TB HDD.
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high end gaming, work, 3d modeling, photoshop and video editing. so a fair few things, the reason i was doing the two M2s was because i was going to have 1 as a boot drive and to store programs on, one for games and then the standard HDD for all the data and stuff
 
ArcticFrenzy said:
high end gaming, work, 3d modeling, photoshop and video editing. so a fair few things, the reason i was doing the two M2s was because i was going to have 1 as a boot drive and to store programs on, one for games and then the standard HDD for all the data and stuff
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I can see 2 spinning HDD listed but only 1 M.2 drive ? make sure you have them install the OS on the M.2 drive and not the HDD, that would be a lol PC for this day and age.

PSU not in stock then Seasonic are the OEM for the Asus ROG psus so they make a 1000w version you can use or the Corsair RMx range are also very good. Be quiet , EVGA superflower and Phanteks(seasonic OEM for some of their range but not researched who makes their 1000w version) also all make decent psu so you have lot of good choices in that class of psus.

I am no expert on cases but with an AIO I like cases where they are mounted on the roof working as an exhaust.It means the radiator portion is always above the pump and works as the reservoir so will not be any issues in that regard.
 
ArcticFrenzy said:
high end gaming, work, 3d modeling, photoshop and video editing. so a fair few things, the reason i was doing the two M2s was because i was going to have 1 as a boot drive and to store programs on, one for games and then the standard HDD for all the data and stuff
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a lot of mid tower cases can only fit a 360mm cooler at the front which is optimal for cool air to flow over the rad which is optimal for cou cooling. There is a trade off as the air in the case is warmer and raise the gpu temps by a few degrees. The pump traped air as long as the pump is not at the highest point then theres no worries.

Case 4000d 360mm rad at the front 5000d which is larger will allow 360mm rad top, mid and front option. Matching fans to go with aio and zotac 3080 has 5 year warranty if registered within 30 days otherwise 3 years. Havnt added m2 and hard drives 1000w corsair rmx psu us a solid option.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,980.89 (includes shipping: £28.02)
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ArcticFrenzy said:
work, 3d modeling, photoshop and video editing.
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How serious are you about video editing and 3d modelling? Because you might look at 64 GB (or more), a 3090 FE (for the VRAM), and Threadripper Pro (for the cores and PCIe lanes) instead.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £4,870.57 (includes shipping: £11.70)​
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The 16 core Threadripper Pro is about £1000.

You'll want to add a case - take a look at the Fractal Design Torrent and a GPU - buy a RTX FE card when they drop. So around £6K total, £7k if you get a 3090.
 
Haz123 said:
I can see 2 spinning HDD listed but only 1 M.2 drive ? make sure you have them install the OS on the M.2 drive and not the HDD, that would be a lol PC for this day and age.

PSU not in stock then Seasonic are the OEM for the Asus ROG psus so they make a 1000w version you can use or the Corsair RMx range are also very good. Be quiet , EVGA superflower and Phanteks(seasonic OEM for some of their range but not researched who makes their 1000w version) also all make decent psu so you have lot of good choices in that class of psus.

I am no expert on cases but with an AIO I like cases where they are mounted on the roof working as an exhaust.It means the radiator portion is always above the pump and works as the reservoir so will not be any issues in that regard.
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looks like i copy pasted the wrong one there XD oops, but yeah i was thinking have 2 seperate m.2s
 
mickyflinn said:
a lot of mid tower cases can only fit a 360mm cooler at the front which is optimal for cool air to flow over the rad which is optimal for cou cooling. There is a trade off as the air in the case is warmer and raise the gpu temps by a few degrees. The pump traped air as long as the pump is not at the highest point then theres no worries.

Case 4000d 360mm rad at the front 5000d which is larger will allow 360mm rad top, mid and front option. Matching fans to go with aio and zotac 3080 has 5 year warranty if registered within 30 days otherwise 3 years. Havnt added m2 and hard drives 1000w corsair rmx psu us a solid option.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £2,980.89 (includes shipping: £28.02)
​
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i shall look into those, thanks :)
 
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Sixteen Core 4.9GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail
CP-3C9-AM
£500 (incl. VAT)
£300 (incl. VAT)
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Corsair 4000D Airflow Mid-Tower Case - Black Tempered Glass (CC-9011200-WW)
CA-25G-CS
£95 (incl. VAT)
FREE DELIVERY
Find out more
Corsair 5000D Airflow Tempered Glass Mid-Tower - Black CC-9011210-WW
CA-25W-CS
£155 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Quartz said:
How serious are you about video editing and 3d modelling? Because you might look at 64 GB (or more), a 3090 FE (for the VRAM), and Threadripper Pro (for the cores and PCIe lanes) instead.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £4,870.57 (includes shipping: £11.70)
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The 16 core Threadripper Pro is about £1000.

You'll want to add a case - take a look at the Fractal Design Torrent and a GPU - buy a RTX FE card when they drop. So around £6K total, £7k if you get a 3090.
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it took me a few years so put enough saving aside for current build so as good as that build would be i think its a little out of my current price range unfortunately
 
ArcticFrenzy said:
it took me a few years so put enough saving aside for current build so as good as that build would be i think its a little out of my current price range unfortunately
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What kind budget you have and do you have good monitor or need it?

No sense in super expensive PC, if medieval resolution monitor bottlenecks working efficiency lots of time.
Also RGB stands usually for Ridiculously Grossly Bloated overprices.
 
Well that was a bit of fun, put a 5900X in as 12 cores should be enough and should be a beast for rendering anyway? Tomahawk prob best X570 board for price/performance at mo, put a 1tb gen4 as your primary, a 2tb gen 3 as secondary, as a lot cheaper but still fast..can go SN750 for extra £100. and a 4tb sata ssd for longer term data storage, so 7th in total..no hhd as slow. For ram, 32gb of sammy b die, no rgb on that, but way better than the corsair(which you can buy elsewhere a lot cheaper, but understand as OCuk doing your build you're hamstrung a little), put in the 5000x case as will fit a 360 rad on top, put the elite capellix aio as fans have rgb compared to the xt you put in which doesn't(I have the xt myself), and included 1 more sp elite fan for exhaust out the back...the 5000x case allows the side guard inside to be removed and you can if you want install another 3 fans, which you'd have as intake, so 3 intake, and 4 exhaust but didn't inlcude..if you did, I'd advise getting the corsair commander pro too. Rather than a 3080 as they're £1200, so double the 3080fe, i stuck the 6900xt..or go for 3080ti for £200 more than the 3080..3080tife is £1049 retail so not quite the fleecing the 3080 is. Put some thermal paste in there but prob don't need it as everything is new. from my reviews I've read runs cooler than artic mx4/5 but still has long shelf life once in so you wont have to reapply every year
There's a lot of storage there, do you need so much..

And EsaT right above, but rgb can be a little bit of fun, and more importantly..what's your budget?


My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £3,556.70 (includes shipping: £15.90)
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ArcticFrenzy said:
ok so i was planning to get a build made by overclockers as i lack time and workspace to make one right now. any changes i should make?

SSSeasonic Prime PX-1000 1000W 80 Plus Platinum Modular Power Supply
* Lian Li LANCOOL II MESH RGB MIDI-TOWER CASE
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Sixteen Core 4.9GHz
Cooler Master MasterFan MF120 Halo ARGB LED with Controller - Triple Pack - 120mm
GeForce RTX 3080 TUF Gaming V2 LHR 10GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card
Seagate 1TB BarraCuda HDD 7200rpm 64MB Cache Internal Hard Drive
Seagate 12TB IronWolf NAS 7200RPM HDD 256MB Cache Internal Hard Drive
Seagate Firecuda 510 1TB SSD PCIe NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive
Corsair Hydro Series iCUE H150i PRO XT RGB Performance Liquid Cooler - 360mm
MSI MAG X570 Tomahawk WiFi (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 ATX Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO Black 32GB (2x16GB) 3600MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4

apparently the PSU stock doesnt exist and i was not 100% sure about the case, thought for changes?
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I put your build in a basket so people can see your build with a guide price....

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £3,559.39 (includes shipping: £14.70)
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Craig_d1 said:
I put your build in a basket so people can see your build with a guide price....

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £3,559.39 (includes shipping: £14.70)
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yeah i didnt wanna go over 4K but can maybe got to 4.5k or something if needed. oh and with storage im currently using 5.2Tb due to all the files and stuff i am using but to be honest i could probarly cut that down a bit. i was always told for a main drive get a HDD as SSDs tend to not last as long or is that now outdated info?
 
EsaT said:
What kind budget you have and do you have good monitor or need it?

No sense in super expensive PC, if medieval resolution monitor bottlenecks working efficiency lots of time.
Also RGB stands usually for Ridiculously Grossly Bloated overprices.
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to be fair my current monitor is good, but i could probably do with an upgrade sometime in the future when i get this new build
 
ArcticFrenzy said:
yeah i didnt wanna go over 4K but can maybe got to 4.5k or something if needed. oh and with storage im currently using 5.2Tb due to all the files and stuff i am using but to be honest i could probarly cut that down a bit. i was always told for a main drive get a HDD as SSDs tend to not last as long or is that now outdated info?
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Main drive for programs and games should be SSD instead of old "spinning rust".
While there are low end SSDs with actually slower sequential write speed than HDDs after running out of their cache, HDDs are just dog slow.
Hence they should be used for "cold storage" of data, be it archived source materials or finished data.


And really high endurance spec drives are basically rated for doing whole drive write in every day of the warranty period.
That Firecuda 510 is such, but at this budget level might as well go for Phison E16 based 5GB/s drives like Firecuda 520.
If game isn't badly designed, they load really fast:
https://www.realhardwarereviews.com/silicon-power-us70-1tb-review/11/

Also at this budget you should really keep 2TB as starting point for SSD space.
Big games are basically 100GB and biggest ones are like 200GB.


Price can't be obstacle if you're spending that much on brands and fashion/RGB.
For example that memory has £70 brand and RGB extra:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/patr...dual-channel-kit-pvs432g360c8k-my-107-pa.html
Better memory with some of the fastest latencies and RGB woud be £30 less:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...00c16-3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-my-20u-cr.html
And tightest latency commonly available memory would be still £20 cheaper:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html

And cooler is similarly brand overpriced.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/arct...ormance-cpu-water-cooler-360mm-hs-07r-ar.html



ArcticFrenzy said:
to be fair my current monitor is good, but i could probably do with an upgrade sometime in the future when i get this new build
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27" 2560x1440 would be minimum for this level of PC budget/usage.
144Hz 4K models are starting to appear more around that size, but 32" models are still MIA.
 
EsaT said:
Main drive for programs and games should be SSD instead of old "spinning rust".
While there are low end SSDs with actually slower sequential write speed than HDDs after running out of their cache, HDDs are just dog slow.
Hence they should be used for "cold storage" of data, be it archived source materials or finished data.


And really high endurance spec drives are basically rated for doing whole drive write in every day of the warranty period.
That Firecuda 510 is such, but at this budget level might as well go for Phison E16 based 5GB/s drives like Firecuda 520.
If game isn't badly designed, they load really fast:
https://www.realhardwarereviews.com/silicon-power-us70-1tb-review/11/

Also at this budget you should really keep 2TB as starting point for SSD space.
Big games are basically 100GB and biggest ones are like 200GB.


Price can't be obstacle if you're spending that much on brands and fashion/RGB.
For example that memory has £70 brand and RGB extra:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/patr...dual-channel-kit-pvs432g360c8k-my-107-pa.html
Better memory with some of the fastest latencies and RGB woud be £30 less:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...00c16-3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-my-20u-cr.html
And tightest latency commonly available memory would be still £20 cheaper:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html

And cooler is similarly brand overpriced.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/arct...ormance-cpu-water-cooler-360mm-hs-07r-ar.html



27" 2560x1440 would be minimum for this level of PC budget/usage.
144Hz 4K models are starting to appear more around that size, but 32" models are still MIA.
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yeah to be honesty when i first started looking i thought it might be fun to throw a few extra £ on some flashy lights, seems not to be a bad idea no matter what budget level XD i shall look into that storage stuff, seems like since last time i looked into them stuff has changed a fair bit
 
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-reliable-are-ssds/

Not a bad read about ssd vs hhd. They're a data storage and backup company, and this is written in 2019, and already they're starting to use SSD's in their arrays.

Personally, I think it's all a bit of luck, but hhd fail like everything else. My first built pc had a hhd which was as good as gold. Had a laptop 10 yrs where I used to transfer files onto a portable hhd. Unfortunately, my toddler ran passed and managed to snag the power cable and pull it off the table. Hit floor and that was it. Had a lot of photo's stored on it, so we sent it off to a specialist, who tried to rebuild it using a second identical hhd, but data was too corrupted.
Then went down imac route, hhd was replaced under warranty, and new one failed 2 years ago. Just refused to boot up. And laptop I'm on now takes forever to do something, and makes a clicking sound sometimes which continues when booted up. Task manager showing hhd at 100% all the time, so think this one may be on the way out too.

Think people still use hhd for cost reasons. They're still a lot cheaper than ssd for large storage. If you really want large ammounts of storage have you thought of a seperate NAS..get a 6 bay one, populate it in a raidarray so has copies to cover failure of a drive?

Build i put for you has 7tb, 1tb pcie4 primary which is fast(faster than the firecuda 520) and comes with 5yrs warranty as opposed to 3yrs. Firecuda 530 comes with 5 yrs, but costs £189, so a touch more than the SN850. Secondary 2tb is the SN550. Not nearly as fast compared to the SN850. It's pcie 3, still fast but put in for cost as basically £190 for the 2tb. Step up would be SN750 at £290 , but seagate 2tb 510 on offer at £270, so just pips it for price. If you want pcie gen 4 your looking at the Firecuda 520 at £380, then Firecuda 530 at £410, and SN850 at £430

You could have course just get OCuk to buid with just the primary m.2 ...I managed to get the 2tbSN850 for £280 which makes it a little more palatable than £430

The sata drive was 4tb, and comes with 3yrs warranty. you could drop it to a pair of 2tb drives. The WD drives come with 5yrs warranty I believe, but hava check. Also ask OCuk what they'd recommend to, seeing as they're doing the build for you.

Cooler I put it to keep a theme. It had good reviews, but EsaT is right, the Arctic freezer 2 is cheaper, and has excellent reviews(generally top pick)

Thinking about case, if you really wanted hhd in there too, you could go for something like the Lian Li Dynamic Xl. The case is £205 though, but comes with a hot swapped caddy for hhd, and also a place to put your sata also. Loads of space in there. you'd need to get fans as comes with none . The new lian li uni sl120 or al120 would be good. They produce good airflow and are daisychainable so cable management will become a lot easier. I'd do intake bottom and side, exhaust at top with rad, and 1 at back also exhaust. 6 in/4 out to keep positive pressure. Seems to run coolest that way from review setups, though some put rad on side with a push/pull config
The corsair 5000x great if doing just m.2 and sata, but the hhd cage can get in the way a bit with all the cabling. Also at £180 odd, OCuk charging a bit. they had it at £140 for a long time, and I picked mine up for £120. So as you're doing a big budget build, you might want to negotiate a little bit
cases all subjective and there are a few really good one out there

And the Ram, only 1 stick of the sammy b die (8Pack) left in stock at mo if you go that route. The crucial is next best...the corsair you had at £219 or whatever you can buy elsewhere for £150 odd. EsaT listed them in last post

Good luck with your decision, let us know what you're going for. always interesting to see:)
 
Craig_d1 said:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/how-reliable-are-ssds/

Not a bad read about ssd vs hhd. They're a data storage and backup company, and this is written in 2019, and already they're starting to use SSD's in their arrays.

Personally, I think it's all a bit of luck, but hhd fail like everything else. My first built pc had a hhd which was as good as gold. Had a laptop 10 yrs where I used to transfer files onto a portable hhd. Unfortunately, my toddler ran passed and managed to snag the power cable and pull it off the table. Hit floor and that was it. Had a lot of photo's stored on it, so we sent it off to a specialist, who tried to rebuild it using a second identical hhd, but data was too corrupted.
Then went down imac route, hhd was replaced under warranty, and new one failed 2 years ago. Just refused to boot up. And laptop I'm on now takes forever to do something, and makes a clicking sound sometimes which continues when booted up. Task manager showing hhd at 100% all the time, so think this one may be on the way out too.

Think people still use hhd for cost reasons. They're still a lot cheaper than ssd for large storage. If you really want large ammounts of storage have you thought of a seperate NAS..get a 6 bay one, populate it in a raidarray so has copies to cover failure of a drive?

Build i put for you has 7tb, 1tb pcie4 primary which is fast(faster than the firecuda 520) and comes with 5yrs warranty as opposed to 3yrs. Firecuda 530 comes with 5 yrs, but costs £189, so a touch more than the SN850. Secondary 2tb is the SN550. Not nearly as fast compared to the SN850. It's pcie 3, still fast but put in for cost as basically £190 for the 2tb. Step up would be SN750 at £290 , but seagate 2tb 510 on offer at £270, so just pips it for price. If you want pcie gen 4 your looking at the Firecuda 520 at £380, then Firecuda 530 at £410, and SN850 at £430

You could have course just get OCuk to buid with just the primary m.2 ...I managed to get the 2tbSN850 for £280 which makes it a little more palatable than £430

The sata drive was 4tb, and comes with 3yrs warranty. you could drop it to a pair of 2tb drives. The WD drives come with 5yrs warranty I believe, but hava check. Also ask OCuk what they'd recommend to, seeing as they're doing the build for you.

Cooler I put it to keep a theme. It had good reviews, but EsaT is right, the Arctic freezer 2 is cheaper, and has excellent reviews(generally top pick)

Thinking about case, if you really wanted hhd in there too, you could go for something like the Lian Li Dynamic Xl. The case is £205 though, but comes with a hot swapped caddy for hhd, and also a place to put your sata also. Loads of space in there. you'd need to get fans as comes with none . The new lian li uni sl120 or al120 would be good. They produce good airflow and are daisychainable so cable management will become a lot easier. I'd do intake bottom and side, exhaust at top with rad, and 1 at back also exhaust. 6 in/4 out to keep positive pressure. Seems to run coolest that way from review setups, though some put rad on side with a push/pull config
The corsair 5000x great if doing just m.2 and sata, but the hhd cage can get in the way a bit with all the cabling. Also at £180 odd, OCuk charging a bit. they had it at £140 for a long time, and I picked mine up for £120. So as you're doing a big budget build, you might want to negotiate a little bit
cases all subjective and there are a few really good one out there

And the Ram, only 1 stick of the sammy b die (8Pack) left in stock at mo if you go that route. The crucial is next best...the corsair you had at £219 or whatever you can buy elsewhere for £150 odd. EsaT listed them in last post

Good luck with your decision, let us know what you're going for. always interesting to see:)
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really appreciate all the detail you are throwing at me btw :D ive not looked at parts for the past 5 years as i always wanna get that new shiny thing i dont need so ive been slowly updating my knowledge :)
 
ArcticFrenzy said:
really appreciate all the detail you are throwing at me btw :D ive not looked at parts for the past 5 years as i always wanna get that new shiny thing i dont need so ive been slowly updating my knowledge :)
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:cry::cry:started my learning curve Apr /May as i was out of date to, started ordering bits and pieces slowly since jun. Still expanding my knowledge... Wish id held off on some as prices have def dropped in some parts... Ram for example.. I remember guy paying £300 odd for 2x16 sammy b die, which thryve just dropped to £179 today... Havent even unpacked my slower corsair vengeance stuff yet
Akways hard.. My spend started escslating quicly:cry:
 
ArcticFrenzy said:
yeah to be honesty when i first started looking i thought it might be fun to throw a few extra £ on some flashy lights, seems not to be a bad idea no matter what budget level XD i shall look into that storage stuff, seems like since last time i looked into them stuff has changed a fair bit
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Consoles are actually pushing games forward in SSD usage, because of their small memory.
Also Microsoft's DirectStorage API for same functionality on PC won't accept SATA SSDs, so better not to fill limited M.2 slots with small for budget drives.

Though well coded games are anyway able to blast through level loading at speed showing effect of drive's speed:
https://www.realhardwarereviews.com/silicon-power-us70-1tb-review/11/
 
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