New build advice please.

pjo123 · 19 Nov 2023 at 18:57

Upgrading (well new build) my (30 yr old) sons PC for him to take home after Xmas

He spent £1000 on his last build in 2015 so it’s lasted him well, only had to replace power supply in that time, but now he wants something faster. His current build is i7 4970k and a 4GB GTX970

He’s initial figure is around £1500 but does’t mind go to £1700, he wants it lo last just as long.

He uses it mainly for gaming, but he doesn’t care about 4k or higher, is happy with his 24 inch monitor and while he might replace it (not out of this budget), he’s not looking to get much bigger, might go up to 27 inch.

I used to be fairly up to date with all this but a bit out of the loop.

I’ve decided to go the AMD route and have just ordered the

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail. For £329.99 From OC as it’s in their Black Friday sale and gets good reviews.

I’m thinking that he’s best running his games from M.2 rather than Sata?

Graphics cards are my biggest hurdle, he wants something decent but if he’s not getting a monitor with a res over 2560 x 1440, he doesn’t need to spend a silly amount.

So, I’ve had a look, I’m thinking along these lines (still not sure of the graphics).

Motherboard https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...ocket-am5-ddr5-atx-motherboard-mb-6k0-as.html £149.99

RAM https://www.overclockers.co.uk/king...r5-pc5-48000c36-6000mhz-dual-c-my-29r-ks.html £139.99

m.2 for boot drive and other programs. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...i-e-3.0-nvme-solid-state-drive-hd-078-cr.html £89.99

m.2 for games. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...nand-nvme-solid-state-drive-wi-hd-07n-cr.html £119.99

sata Ssd: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sams...er-3d-v-nand-solid-state-drive-hd-245-sa.html. £196.99

Power Supply: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ther...e-pcie-5-fully-modular-80-plus-ca-1br-tt.html £179.99

that total inc CPU comes to £1206.93

then a cpu cooler, case and graphics card, might go water cooled for cooler, might not, he wants a quiet pc lol.

Any thoughts please?

Thanks

Gray2233 · 19 Nov 2023 at 20:00

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6K0-AS) = £149.99
1 x Corsair Vengeance EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-48000C36 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit (SKU: MEM-CRS-00996) = £109.99
1 x AMD Ryzen 5 7600 Six Core 5.10GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DW-AM) = £194.99
1 x Corsair RM750x Shift ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (CP-9020251-UK) (SKU: CA-278-CS) = £109.99
1 x MSI SPATIUM M450 2TB SSD PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-MSI-00813) = £92.99
1 x Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XT Pulse 20GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-3A7-SP) = £739.99
1 x AMD - Avatar Radeon Bundle (SKU: DIG-AMD-01186) = £0.00

Total: £1,405.93 (includes delivery: £7.99)

Plenty of room left over for a good case of choice, I'd also recommend grabbing a Thermalright Peerless Assassin HSF for £25-30 or so to go with.

There's obviously still room in the budget for the 7800X3D if you want to spring for it, but the 7600 is still very capable.

Even at 1440P new games are becoming very demanding, given he's kept the same GPU in his current rig for 8 + years I would spring for the most powerful GPU that you can budget for with that use case.

If it were my money, I'd take a 7600 + 7900XTX or 4080 over a 7800X3D and a lesser card.

Tetras · 19 Nov 2023 at 20:54

pjo123 said:
I’m thinking that he’s best running his games from M.2 rather than Sata?

For the most part it doesn't matter, it would be fine for a steam library of old games, but for newer games they are starting to stream from the drive now, so I think it is sensible to go M.2, especially since M.2 drives are plentiful and cheap.

pjo123 said:
Power Supply: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ther...e-pcie-5-fully-modular-80-plus-ca-1br-tt.html £179.99

Nice PSU, but overkill unless he wants something like a 4090 or 7900 XTX.

pjo123 said:
RAM https://www.overclockers.co.uk/king...r5-pc5-48000c36-6000mhz-dual-c-my-29r-ks.html £139.99

I wouldn't bother with fast/fancy RAM for the X3D based on these benchmarks.

pjo123 said:
m.2 for boot drive and other programs. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...i-e-3.0-nvme-solid-state-drive-hd-078-cr.html £89.99

m.2 for games. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cruc...nand-nvme-solid-state-drive-wi-hd-07n-cr.html £119.99

I'm not a fan of the P3 (endurance and QLC), but if I were to buy one, I'd rather have the more durable P5 as the boot drive and the P3 as the game drive.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DT-AM) = £329.99
1 x AMD - Avatar Ryzen Bundle (SKU: DIG-AMD-01185) = £0.00
1 x Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6K0-AS) = £149.99
1 x Kingston FURY Beast EXPO 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C36BBEK2-32) (SKU: MY-29U-KS) = £99.99
1 x WD Black SN850X 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T2X0E) (SKU: HD-591-WD) = £109.99
1 x WD Blue SN580 2TB SSD NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-WDC-00541) = £80.00
1 x WD Blue SN570 1TB SSD NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS100T3B0C) (SKU: HD-589-WD) = £39.94
1 x SAPPHIRE PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6, AMD RDNA™ 3 architecture (SKU: GRA-SPR-00764) = £475.00
1 x AMD - Avatar Radeon Bundle (SKU: DIG-AMD-01186) = £0.00
1 x Phanteks Eclipse P400 Air Midi Tower Case - Black (SKU: CA-09F-PT) = £50.00
1 x Phanteks SK120 Black PWM Fan - 120mm (SKU: FG-02C-PT) = £6.94
1 x Corsair RMx Series RM750x 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (CP-9020199-UK) (SKU: CA-266-CS) = £100.00

Total: £1,441.84 (includes delivery: £0.00)

Cooler the same as mentioned above.

Gray2233 · 19 Nov 2023 at 20:59

If aiming for a build around the 1400-1500 range you'd have ample money left over for a nice 1440p screen. It would be a crying shame to run a rig like either of the above on an old 1080p monitor.

pjo123 · 19 Nov 2023 at 21:21

Tetras said:
For the most part it doesn't matter, it would be fine for a steam library of old games, but for newer games they are starting to stream from the drive now, so I think it is sensible to go M.2, especially since M.2 drives are plentiful and cheap.

Nice PSU, but overkill unless he wants something like a 4090 or 7900 XTX.

I wouldn't bother with fast/fancy RAM for the X3D based on these benchmarks.

I'm not a fan of the P3 (endurance and QLC), but if I were to buy one, I'd rather have the more durable P5 as the boot drive and the P3 as the game drive.

My basket at OcUK:

1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DT-AM) = £329.99

1 x AMD - Avatar Ryzen Bundle (SKU: DIG-AMD-01185) = £0.00

1 x Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6K0-AS) = £149.99

1 x Kingston FURY Beast EXPO 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C36BBEK2-32) (SKU: MY-29U-KS) = £99.99

1 x WD Black SN850X 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T2X0E) (SKU: HD-591-WD) = £109.99

1 x WD Blue SN580 2TB SSD NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-WDC-00541) = £80.00

1 x WD Blue SN570 1TB SSD NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS100T3B0C) (SKU: HD-589-WD) = £39.94

1 x SAPPHIRE PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6, AMD RDNA™ 3 architecture (SKU: GRA-SPR-00764) = £475.00

1 x AMD - Avatar Radeon Bundle (SKU: DIG-AMD-01186) = £0.00

1 x Phanteks Eclipse P400 Air Midi Tower Case - Black (SKU: CA-09F-PT) = £50.00

1 x Phanteks SK120 Black PWM Fan - 120mm (SKU: FG-02C-PT) = £6.94

1 x Corsair RMx Series RM750x 80 PLUS Gold Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (CP-9020199-UK) (SKU: CA-266-CS) = £100.00

Total: £1,441.84 (includes delivery: £0.00)

Cooler the same as mentioned above.

Thanks, that looks very good, will almost certainly go for what you suggest

pjo123 · 19 Nov 2023 at 21:37

On my pc I have the Arctic P12 fans that are very quiet. Would it be worth getting 3 of them for the case?

can’t find “Thermalright Peerless Assassin HSF” anywhere, can find then ending “SE” instead of “HSF?

many thanks

Gray2233 · 19 Nov 2023 at 21:39

pjo123 said:
On my pc I have the Arctic P12 fans that are very quiet. Would it be worth getting 3 of them for the case?

can’t find “Thermalright Peerless Assassin HSF” anywhere, can find then ending “SE” instead of “HSF?

many thanks

HSF is an acronym for Heatsink + Fan, the SE edition will be absolutely fine.

I would go with the fans the case comes with at first and maybe test them out, if noise is a big factor for you feel free to switch them. I doubt you'll run into problems with those suggested if I'm honest, pre-empting issues could just end up wasting time/money.

pjo123 · 19 Nov 2023 at 22:32

Gray2233 said:
HSF is an acronym for Heatsink + Fan, the SE edition will be absolutely fine.

I would go with the fans the case comes with at first and maybe test them out, if noise is a big factor for you feel free to switch them. I doubt you'll run into problems with those suggested if I'm honest, pre-empting issues could just end up wasting time/money.

Many thanks, should have guessed HSF doh

pjo123 · 20 Nov 2023 at 00:01

Would it be worth it to get the extra read and write speeds by getting two

WD Black SN850X 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T2X0E)

Order WD Black SN850X 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T2X0E) now online and benefit from fast delivery.

www.overclockers.co.uk

and one

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/wd-b...gen4-solid-state-drive-wds100t-hd-590-wd.html to have the faster speeds?

only makes the cost rise to £1496.88 instead of £1441.84?

Tetras · 20 Nov 2023 at 00:05

pjo123 said:
Would it be worth it to get the extra read and write speeds by getting two

I wouldn't for gaming. If I did anything, I'd upgrade the 1TB SN570 to another 2TB SN580 (the P5P was intended as the boot drive).

pjo123 · 20 Nov 2023 at 00:25

Tetras said:
I wouldn't for gaming. If I did anything, I'd upgrade the 1TB SN570 to another 2TB SN580 (the P5P was intended as the boot drive).

Sorry for not totally understanding, when you say the P5P as the boot, are you referring to the sn850x?

Any difference in thermal paste, or is something like Arctic silver as good as any other?

many thanks

pjo123 · 20 Nov 2023 at 00:30

grr, 2TB sn580 out of stock

Do I need to worry about heat sinks for these

Gray2233 · 20 Nov 2023 at 00:42

pjo123 said:
grr, 2TB sn580 out of stock

Do I need to worry about heat sinks for these

No.

They do get hot under sustained use, and by that I mean benchmarking or niche -- you have nothing to worry about for games.

Tetras · 20 Nov 2023 at 01:48

pjo123 said:
Sorry for not totally understanding, when you say the P5P as the boot, are you referring to the sn850x?

Yeah, I meant the SN850X. My bad.

pjo123 said:
Any difference in thermal paste, or is something like Arctic silver as good as any other?

Have a look @ this thread.

pjo123 said:
2TB sn580 out of stock

You could swap for the M450 in Gray2233's spec, or the SN770. Firecuda 520 is alright too.

pjo123 · 20 Nov 2023 at 15:37

All ordered thank.

pjo123 · 26 Nov 2023 at 23:10

All built, runs superbly my son will be very very pleased.

Thanks for all your helpful advice

Gray2233 · 26 Nov 2023 at 23:18

pjo123 said:
All built, runs superbly my son will be very very pleased.

Thanks for all your helpful advice

I'm sure that he'll be over the moon, it's a very nice build.