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jakari

jakari

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Hey everyone

I am just about to sell my old system that was

MSI P35 Platinum
Intel Q6600 Quad Core (Overclocked @ 3.1Ghz)
6GB HyerX DDR2 PC 6400+
Gainward 9800GT 1024MB GS

and am looking to put the money into buying something newer, not ancestrally the latest and greatest stuff because I know I cant afford it due to me only having £330

I decided to go down the AMD route due to things seeming to be cheaper and here is what I cam up with


AMD Phenom II X6 Six Core 1055T 2.80GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail
MSI 870-C45 AMD 770 Chipset (Socket AM3) DDR3 Motherboard
GeIL 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666C9 1333MHz
HIS ATI Radeon HD 5770 ICEQ 5 TURBO 1024MB

Total : £327.35

I just wanted to make sure everything was ok and trying to get people opinions, I know its not going to be breaking any speed records or anything but from what I can tell it is better than my old system
 
Whats the purpose of the machine?


You have selected 6GB RAM which is not supported as it is tri channel.
You will need to select either 4GB or 8GB RAM.
 
i would be using it to play games, on my current rig im playing games like Crysis 2, BC2, CSS, TF2. well pretty much the popular games. I like to play games at 1920x1080 if I can but if not a necessity and i will look into getting 8gig of ram then, could you recommend any at round about the same price point or at least not a lot more

EDIT: just been looking over and I think it would be easer to go with 4GB of ram lol
 
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Pretty much any from the the DDR3 selection:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=8&subid=1517&sortby=priceAsc

Heres my picks:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-203-CS

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-105-GL&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1517

I would personally look at the quad core options of cpu for that socket, personally. You will not see any benefit from the hex core for the extra few quid.

I would go:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-244-AM&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=1943
 
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Product Name Qty Price Line Total
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5850 Extreme 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **OcUK Exclusive** £107.99
(£89.99) £107.99
(£89.99)
AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition "125W Edition" 3.20GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £95.99
(£79.99) £95.99
(£79.99)
Gigabyte GA-MA78LMT-US2H 760G (Socket AM3) DDR3 Motherboard £49.99
(£41.66) £49.99
(£41.66)
OCZ Special OPS 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3SOE1600LV4GK) £35.99
(£29.99) £35.99
(£29.99)
Gelid Tranquillo CPU Cooler (Socket 754/939/940/AM2/AM2+/AM3/LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366) £23.99
(£19.99) £23.99
(£19.99)
Sub Total : £261.62
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £9.50
VAT is being charged at 20.00% VAT : £54.22
Total : £325.34
 
Checking on mobo compatibility, the 955BE 125W is part of the supported processors. Trying to find info about overclocking a 955 on that board... :)

hmmm one sec, how far can you push your Q6600? That could save you some dough, these are great chips. The big bottleneck you have is the 9800 GFX.
 
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olivier renault said:
Checking on mobo compatibility, the 955BE 125W is part of the supported processors. Trying to find info about overclocking a 955 on that board... :)

hmmm one sec, how far can you push your Q6600? That could save you some dough, these are great chips. The big bottleneck you have is the 9800 GFX.
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my Q6600 is currently at 3.2Ghz
 
Upgrading a Q6600 to a 955BE is not entirely advantageous.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/53?vs=88

Note that this is with the Q6600 at stock. Overclocked to a similar speed you'd get something closer. Of course the advantage of the 955BE is that you can overclock further, but given the money you want to spend, I'm not sure it would be well spent.

I would upgrade the GPU first though (£200, 6950 2GB, 560 ti, or a GTX 480 if you have a good enough power supply), and save the rest for a 2500K or bulldozer update.

The bottom line is, I am not convinced a 955BE / 1055T with a 5850 will give that much of an edge over a Q6600 with a 6950 / 480 for games. I leave it to specialists, as I have no practical views on that :)

A second point is what cooler you are currently using, and how far could you push a Q6600 with a better cooler (if possible).

A third point is how much of a bottleneck a Q6600 would be on the graphics card. Again, that needs some input for people with more practical knowledge :)

So, all in all, I don't think it's a trivial upgrade. It may be easier and more beneficial to just update the GPU to something more current (let's face it, the 9800 is arthritic nowadays), maybe a better cooler (although I would think 3.2-3.4 is about the maximum without running into too much problems), and also if your PSU is not that great, a better PSU will allow you to get a GTX 480 in there, as well as providing a solid platform for a future CPU / mobo / ram upgrade.

For a Q6600, I would consider a 2500K / bulldozer worth the money. Just not convinced about a 955 / 1055T (which you will need to clock to get the best of it in games).
 
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olivier renault said:
Upgrading a Q6600 to a 955BE is not entirely advantageous.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/53?vs=88

Note that this is with the Q6600 at stock. Overclocked to a similar speed you'd get something closer. Of course the advantage of the 955BE is that you can overclock further, but given the money you want to spend, I'm not sure it would be well spent.

I would upgrade the GPU first though (£200, 6950 2GB, 560 ti, or a GTX 480 if you have a good enough power supply), and save the rest for a 2500K or bulldozer update.

The bottom line is, I am not convinced a 955BE / 1055T with a 5850 will give that much of an edge over a Q6600 with a 6950 / 480 for games. I leave it to specialists, as I have no practical views on that :)

A second point is what cooler you are currently using, and how far could you push a Q6600 with a better cooler (if possible).

A third point is how much of a bottleneck a Q6600 would be on the graphics card. Again, that needs some input for people with more practical knowledge :)

So, all in all, I don't think it's a trivial upgrade. It may be easier and more beneficial to just update the GPU to something more current (let's face it, the 9800 is arthritic nowadays), maybe a better cooler (although I would think 3.2-3.4 is about the maximum without running into too much problems), and also if your PSU is not that great, a better PSU will allow you to get a GTX 480 in there, as well as providing a solid platform for a future CPU / mobo / ram upgrade.

For a Q6600, I would consider a 2500K / bulldozer worth the money. Just not convinced about a 955 / 1055T (which you will need to clock to get the best of it in games).
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the thing is I cant just update my GPU, the only reason i have the £330 i have now is because I can sell my old system for that, if i just wanted to sell my 9800 I would be lucky to get £50.

my original plan was to just sell my 9800 but then that's when i found out how much the old thing is now worth :P

althought i have been looking over another system build I thought about



YOUR BASKET
1 x XFX ATI Radeon HD 6850 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with FREE MOH Game £134.99
1 x AMD Phenom II X6 Six Core 1055T 2.80GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £131.99
1 x MSI 870-C45 AMD 770 Chipset (Socket AM3) DDR3 Motherboard £54.98
1 x OCZ Special OPS 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3SOE1600LV4GK) £35.99
Total : £369.35 (includes shipping : £9.50).


I could prob stretch to the extra few £ but I was planning on buying a new AMD based system do to being cheaper than Intel/Nvidia then buying a Corsair H70 when I has a bit more money and overclocking it a bit

EDIT:

I know i put a x6 core CPU on there again, but i have just been thinking seeing as i would be gaming. would it be better for me to buy a cheaper x4 core CPU and put the extra bit of money into a better cooler and overclock it more?

and also in the future get another 4gig of ram and have 8gig?
 
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If it's a free upgrade, then fair enough.

comparaison of a 6850 and a 5850.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/291?vs=295


I'd check on that motherboard for 1055T compatibility and overclocking ability. a quad core 955BE will give roughly the same performance for gaming at same clock speed. And it comes at 3.2 out form the box as well.

a nudge towards a kick ass upgrade, but It's over your budget (£100 over original estimate).

Your basket
Product Name Qty Price Line Total
OcUK Motherboard Bundle - Intel Core i5 2500K & Asus P8P67 Intel P67 Mainboard **B3 Revision** £272.60
(£227.17) £272.60
(£227.17)
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5850 Extreme 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **OcUK Exclusive** £107.99
(£89.99) £107.99
(£89.99)
OCZ Special OPS 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3SOE1600LV4GK) £35.99
(£29.99) £35.99
(£29.99)
Sub Total : £347.15
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £9.50
VAT is being charged at 20.00% VAT : £71.33
Total : £427.98
 
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olivier renault said:
If it's a free upgrade, then fair enough.

comparaison of a 6850 and a 5850.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/291?vs=295


I'd check on that motherboard for 1055T compatibility and overclocking ability. a quad core 955BE will give roughly the same performance for gaming at same clock speed. And it comes at 3.2 out form the box as well.

a nudge towards a kick ass upgrade, but It's over your budget (£100 over original estimate).

Your basket
Product Name Qty Price Line Total
OcUK Motherboard Bundle - Intel Core i5 2500K & Asus P8P67 Intel P67 Mainboard **B3 Revision** £272.60
(£227.17) £272.60
(£227.17)
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 5850 Extreme 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **OcUK Exclusive** £107.99
(£89.99) £107.99
(£89.99)
OCZ Special OPS 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3SOE1600LV4GK) £35.99
(£29.99) £35.99
(£29.99)
Sub Total : £347.15
Shipping cost assumes delivery to UK Mainland with:
DPD Next Day Parcel
(This can be changed during checkout) Shipping : £9.50
VAT is being charged at 20.00% VAT : £71.33
Total : £427.98
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That is a little bit to much for me to spend :P

Is there any reason the 5850 seems to be doing better than the 6850, going on what those bench tests say anyways?
 
ok I have been looking over everything again with the help of anandtech

and have got the CPU, Mobo and Ram I would like


New Setup
1 x AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition "125W Edition" 3.20GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £95.99
1 x MSI 870A-G54 AMD 870 (Socket AM3) DDR3 Motherboard £72.98
1 x OCZ Special OPS 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3SOE1600LV4GK) £35.99
Total : £215.76 (includes shipping : £9.00).

the problem I am having is with picking a Graphics Card, I was looking at the Asus ATI Radeon HD 6870 OC 1024MB

But then after going over the 6870 and the 5870
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290?vs=294

The 5870 seems to perform better, is it just that the 5870 is better or is there something I am missing?
 
jakari said:
ok I have been looking over everything again with the help of anandtech

and have got the CPU, Mobo and Ram I would like


New Setup
1 x AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 Black Edition "125W Edition" 3.20GHz (Socket AM3) - Retail £95.99
1 x MSI 870A-G54 AMD 870 (Socket AM3) DDR3 Motherboard £72.98
1 x OCZ Special OPS 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3SOE1600LV4GK) £35.99
Total : £215.76 (includes shipping : £9.00).

the problem I am having is with picking a Graphics Card, I was looking at the Asus ATI Radeon HD 6870 OC 1024MB

But then after going over the 6870 and the 5870
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290?vs=294

The 5870 seems to perform better, is it just that the 5870 is better or is there something I am missing?
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Personally I would hold off and not get that motherboard. I suspect next month you will see the launch of the new AM3+ boards. This gives you lot room for future upgrades then. The AM3 cpu will work in am3+ boards but compatibility not guaranteed other way around.

Also that cpu is very nice value for the money.(They tend to be easy and good for overclocking also)
 
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the 6870 is a great card!! I have one. The 5870 is a very powerful card and the 5870 is around 15% better. However the 6870 is a more energy efficient card. Plus it scales better than the 5870 in Crossfire. The Asus is a great card never had an issue with it.

The benefit of going to the 6950 is that you can unlock it into a 6970 which is even better.
 
skylineboy said:
the 6870 is a great card!! I have one. The 5870 is a very powerful card and the 5870 is around 15% better. However the 6870 is a more energy efficient card. Plus it scales better than the 5870 in Crossfire. The Asus is a great card never had an issue with it.

The benefit of going to the 6950 is that you can unlock it into a 6970 which is even better.
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Thank you, that helped a lot

I might look into spending the extra money and go with the 6950
 
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