New build for Flight Sim 2020

[philmo]

So my current build is nearing the end of its life - especially for the likes of games like FS20 with High settings.

I have a i5-3570k and a GTX 1660 (added 6 months ago). On a Z77 mb.

I am a bit tight with a budget - £1500. But might have to stretch to more.

Clearly if there are thoughts that I could get decent performance and spend less I would be delighted.

I would like to play at 1440p but don’t expect miracles. I will need a new monitor and this cost might mean me downgrading elsewhere.

I will keep my keyboard and mouse.
And already have 2 x 1TB Samsung Evo SSD’s.

ideally I would like a GTX 2070 SUPER. My weak area is choosing a CPU and Mobo. The later being to some degree future proof. I’m aware of the new 3000 GPU’s but not sure short term price affect they might have on the 2070.

I also want 32GB.

I am building this myself and have moderate confidence so could do with a case with some flexibility. I have space so it doesn’t need to be small.

As ever any help here would be much appreciated.

 

[philmo]

Great - thanks for this.

I also need to consider a new case and PSU. Currently have OLD:

CZ ZT 650W '80 Plus Bronze'
BitFenix Shinobi "Core" USB3.0 Gaming WindowedCase

I am a bit green in building from fresh so want space and of course air flow.

Regarding the 2070 you have suggested it sits around £70 or so above some other cards. What does the extra cost bring ?

I do need a cooler and will take WiFi in the MB just in case.

Thanks again.

 

[philmo]

I think the 3*** will be too rich, so 2070 SUPER more likely.

So if I was pairing this with the i9-10850k you suggested would this PSU be ok (CZ ZT 650W '80 Plus Bronze').

Also could I reuse this case (BitFenix Shinobi "Core" USB3.0 Gaming WindowedCase) with this build, am conscious of the cooling as machine is not exactly out in the open.

Thanks

 

[philmo]

The CZ ZT 650W is not a bad unit, how old is it ? do you want to risk it with your new components?

If you happy with your case them keep it but i would get new one. Take a look see what you like and let us know.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cases-and-modding/pc-cases/midi-towers?ssort=3

its around 8 years old, but if there's any doubt i will certainly change it.

so i see suggested here i should go for https://www.overclockers.co.uk/phanteks-amp-650w-80-plus-gold-modular-power-supply-ca-09q-pt.html or https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...lar-power-supply-cp-9020194-uk-ca-24r-cs.html

I might play safe as suggested and maybe up the power if I change to a 3*** card with a 750w PSU.

In terms of a case I want a midi ATX - so I presume the Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Elite AC (Socket LGA 1200) DDR4 ATX Motherboard work with this size ?

Any suggestion of a case to help make the build easier and cooling would be great.

 

[philmo]

wouldv personally go for 10700k & 3080 haha

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My basket at Overclockers UK:

• 1 x Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE (AMD AM4) B550 ATX Motherboard= £154.99
• 1 x be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ARGB Midi Tower Case - Black Tempered Glass= £89.99

Total: £257.28 (includes shipping: £12.30)


change my psu when warranty is up or need more power​

hmm. Might just be tempted to see the launch and hang on a bit and see what happens. So did you change the MB from the Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Elite for case compatibility - thought they both fitted in a ATX midi.

Tks

 

[philmo]

Sorry, was already in my list (got build for my cousin's kid and needed to show her what's coming. Funny enough, same case - trade with BeQuiet so only £60 for me haha)

Case is lovely and has front USB C to go with the Z490 Elite etc . 3x 140mm fans. Although would love top to the front as intake for dual 140mm at the front .

Worth the wait to see the 3080.. good god the Strix card looks aweful ! Asus best design card was 980ti ... Loved the looks but new one.. my eyes !

Looks like a nice case - thanks. Will post final (?) list. Thanks again.

 

[philmo]

Think £10 more lands Corsair with 10 yr warranty

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...lar-power-supply-cp-9020196-uk-ca-24t-cs.html

750w version for £109

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...lar-power-supply-cp-9020195-uk-ca-24s-cs.html

850 & 10 year makes complete sense. Might then get 2070 SUPER now - and review next knowing I don't need to change the PSU.

 

[philmo]

So likely to go with the following:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

• 1 x Intel Core i9-10850K 3.6GHz (Comet Lake) Socket LGA1200 Processor - OEM= £419.99
• 1 x Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Elite AC (Socket LGA 1200) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £199.99
• 1 x Team Group Vulcan Z T-Force 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey= £92.99
• 1 x Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER Gaming OC 3X 8192MB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card= £529.99
• 1 x Corsair RM Series RM850 850W '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply (CP-9020196-UK)= £119.99
• 1 x be quiet! Pure Base 500DX ARGB Midi Tower Case - Black Tempered Glass= £89.99

Total: £1,466.14 (includes shipping: £13.20)
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Already have 2 x 1TB Samsung Evo SSD’s

Also seem ok, also need 1440p monitor and way over budget, ouch - have to share with the wife.
Have heard the Dell Dell S2721DGF mentioned as being good.

So any savings would be nice overall - but might have to bite the bullet.

Thanks

 

[philmo]

Get the 10850k retail version it cost £10 more and has a 3 year warranty, oem has only one year.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1200-processor-retail-cp-68e-in.html

Did you look at cheaper 2070s

What cpu cooler do you have ?

Have listed this 2070 as suggested by 'orbitwalsh' (thanks again), I noted there are ones at nearer £450. IF there is a minimal benefit I can be easily swayed.
Someone mentioned the MSI venutions 2070s is on offer £450

Very good point ref cooling ! - missed that from my post and can't find model I was looking at. Can you offer any suggestions for this ?

 

[philmo]

I have already explained the advantages of the Gigabyte 2070s over the msi in post 4.

The arctic e34 sport is a good option

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/arctic-freezer-34-esports-120mm-cpu-cooler-black-grey-hs-07e-ar.html

Unless you want rgb light cooler.

How much do you want to spend ?
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Sorry - missed post 4. Thanks. In terms of cooling RGB is not of interest for me, just want to make sure all is adequately cooked. Machine wont be that exposed so want to ensure cooling is not an issued. No budget in mind as such - will spend what is necessary.

 

[philmo]

Sorry, cooking 10850k you'll need a beast !

360 AIO or £70 rock rock 4 Pro etc

Thanks for that.

Just a thought (thinking budget as have to get a cooler and monitor), would I see much lower performance if I looked at either a i7-10700k (£374) or i5-10600k (£248.99). I note the i5 is a bit of a jump from 10 to 6 cores.

For reference overclocking is not high on my agenda.

 

[philmo]

You seen the spec on rtx 3070 !!!??? Damn

Good advice earlier. Might just wait a tad ! Could even be some well priced 2080TI’s around soon having seen the 3*** prices.

 

[philmo]

good way too measure CPU uplift is getting your core components now. running FS before CPU upgrade and after with your 1660... specially at 1080p since CPU bound even more so.

Then when you come iinto slapping a 3070?? should see BIG uplifts !

That’s a really good point. Lots of choices in 24 hours. EBay now full of 2080TI’s at £550+. Might see some 3070 reviews - and see what the true comparison is. Nice position to be in - assuming I have the patience to wait !

 

[philmo]

A very good point. I will see what happens to prices on current new GPU’s and see when stock of the 3070 arrives. I get there will be significant stock and price fluctuations.

 

[philmo]

Or, a B550 (£160) coupled with a 3600 (~£170) now and then sell on the CPU and upgrade to superior Zen 3 (8c/16t minimum) on release, when he's got more money in his pocket again?

As DX12 FS20 is the goal - could make the 3080 perhaps more attainable and eventually lead to better CPU, with less heat, when more flush. (But, will have to take a ~£40 hit selling CPU but this is offset by the cheaper B550...).

*Or has Ryzen/Zen3 been ruled out?

Sounds tempting, trying to how much cash I can raise selling my child before committing! 3*** has brought much more to think about.

I could even initially try this route, and give my 1660 SUPER a go for a few months and then change both CPU's and GPU's when there is stock and sensible pricing on both new products (zen 3 / 3***).

If I go down this route have you suggested what B550 would you suggest ?

 

[philmo]

I listed the 2070S but also with statement to hold and glad i did but also acts a placement marker . again for flight siim would stick to Intel. purely because you'll be overclocking to 5.2ghz . slapping in something more powerful then 2080ti on a system that already taxes CPU heavily might make it work even harder to catch up with the GPU! CPU bottle neck .

@Plec would normally suggest an Xtreme board!

Good advice to hold fire - especially after the 3*** launch. Will wait I think on reviews, but 3080 does look sweet - not sure I want to change cards twice.

I have not overclocked to date and must say am not madly keen on the idea (about having the time and interest to get it right - any spare time I have is limited). I guess it boils down to budget, I'm not ignoring intel advice - its whether I punt for the intel now (Core i9-10850K or Intel Core i7-10700K) or have the patience to await the zen3 (and go down the AMD route and sell the 3600 later). And just await the new 3***'s.

Some things to think about.

Thanks again

 

[philmo]

As mentioned before. Both Intel and AMD have new CPU next year. Can already see Intel's via laptop... Beats Ryzen 4*** APU/laptop design with less cores though that isn't Zen3 CPU, the 8 cores to a die is .

Zen3 Vs 11th Gen is the good fight. And finally !!! Have a power king of a GPU via 3090 SLi to bottle neck the heck out of it for testing !

If you get 10600k or 3600k... You'll most likely sell in 2 odd years for 11900k or 4900x haha

Hmmm - you keep giving me things to think about.
If I were not overclocking is there a big performance difference between i5-10600K vs i7-10700K vs i9-10850K) - apart from £276 vs £374 vs £428. Its unlikely I will be overclocking (of course that might change should I get a life), so do I need the k versions ?

 

[philmo]

@Plec 's dream list is 3950x and Xtreme to be replaced by 4950x

I'm feeling a little battle of the brands

In case it got missed earlier - If I were not overclocking is there a big performance difference between i5-10600K vs i7-10700K vs i9-10850K) - apart from £276 vs £374 vs £428. Its quite unlikely I will be overclocking (of course that might change should I get a life!).

 

[philmo]

Both incredibly helpful - good to have all the info to work with.

In terms of the i5-10600K & i7-10700Kall would you still @orbitalwalsh go for the Mobo you suggested for the 10850k ?

1 x Gigabyte Z490 Aorus Elite AC (Socket LGA 1200) DDR4 ATX Motherboard= £199.99

 

[philmo]

I’m following this discussion as I’m looking to upgrade as well, probably intel + Mobo + ram + rtx 3080. Info in this thread is very useful.

Feedback so helpful here always, challenge is at the of all advice you have to make choices.
I'm leaning towards the i5 - reviews where ever I look for gaming are great. Also good value.
Will stick with my GTX 1060 SUPER until either 3070 or 3080's are available and I can then order - so can save some pennies until then.

Just need to settle on a motherboard, Z490 in previous post likely candidate.

What are you going to do with your PC?, interesting to see what others choose - can spend hours and hours go through these forums.