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New build has terrible graphical performance
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Do you get a lot of hard disk activity when it starts getting choppy?
Run memtest from a bootable disk on your Memory for a while. See if it brings up any errors. (normally would crash but worth testing your memory).
Try reseating the heat sink on your cpu
Personally, I'm going with either heat issue, or PSU. Alternatively it also sounds like some sort of cache overloading error which is why I asked about the hard disk activity.
Run memtest from a bootable disk on your Memory for a while. See if it brings up any errors. (normally would crash but worth testing your memory).
Try reseating the heat sink on your cpu
Personally, I'm going with either heat issue, or PSU. Alternatively it also sounds like some sort of cache overloading error which is why I asked about the hard disk activity.
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definately sounds like some sort of heat or power issue now.
i would point fingers at the motherboard overheating if you can try putting a 12 inch desk or pedastal fan at your comp if you have a removeable side panel; then take it off and bang it with lots of air from the fan and try running the tests again if it stays ok it will be a heat issue if it still fails could be a problem with something else. Just need to eliminate the possibility of heat first before we investigate any further
i would point fingers at the motherboard overheating if you can try putting a 12 inch desk or pedastal fan at your comp if you have a removeable side panel; then take it off and bang it with lots of air from the fan and try running the tests again if it stays ok it will be a heat issue if it still fails could be a problem with something else. Just need to eliminate the possibility of heat first before we investigate any further
It's definitely not heat related. If I hover my hand round the board I can't feel any heat at all. In fact its very cool. Also, the motherboard has temperature status LEDs dotted around near the main components. There's a little green LED next to the CPU, NB, SB and DRAM, which just means temperature normal.
I just did another new Windows install but this time with the 5850 back in. I did the same as before and didn't install anything other than the Catalyst driver so I could do benchmarking. I ran the CineBench and the result was really low for GPU. Around 5fps. The 3DMark05 result was also still crappy. So I think when it worked briefly on the last install it may have been a fluke.
I also tried using the PSU from my old rig. Its only a Corsair modular 520w. A little weak maybe but managed to run everything. Exactly the same outcome though. Didnt make any difference. So I don't think its PSU related, at least not the hardware.
So far, things I know that aren't causing the problem:
Graphics Card - OK
Memory - Ok
CPU - OK
PSU - OK
Temperature - OK
So that leaves me with:
Motherboard
Hard disk
Windows Drivers
Configuration issue
My next test might be to try installing on another hard disk. I've got a few laying around I could use. I'm not convinced it will be a disk issue but I need to rule it out. I did a test a minute ago by running an video(AVI) from a USB drive and that gave me the same choppy/laggy performance.
EDIT: I did try to disable the sound a while ago. I disabled the onboard sound card in the BIOS. It didn't make any difference, so I don't think the issue is sound either. Any ideas what would affect video output and also sound like this?
I just did another new Windows install but this time with the 5850 back in. I did the same as before and didn't install anything other than the Catalyst driver so I could do benchmarking. I ran the CineBench and the result was really low for GPU. Around 5fps. The 3DMark05 result was also still crappy. So I think when it worked briefly on the last install it may have been a fluke.
I also tried using the PSU from my old rig. Its only a Corsair modular 520w. A little weak maybe but managed to run everything. Exactly the same outcome though. Didnt make any difference. So I don't think its PSU related, at least not the hardware.
So far, things I know that aren't causing the problem:
Graphics Card - OK
Memory - Ok
CPU - OK
PSU - OK
Temperature - OK
So that leaves me with:
Motherboard
Hard disk
Windows Drivers
Configuration issue
My next test might be to try installing on another hard disk. I've got a few laying around I could use. I'm not convinced it will be a disk issue but I need to rule it out. I did a test a minute ago by running an video(AVI) from a USB drive and that gave me the same choppy/laggy performance.
EDIT: I did try to disable the sound a while ago. I disabled the onboard sound card in the BIOS. It didn't make any difference, so I don't think the issue is sound either. Any ideas what would affect video output and also sound like this?
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well next then
check all motherboard voltages in bios
check CPU is seated properly (in fact re-seat everything)
Still seems weird you have a low cine-bench CPU score for your make and model of processor.
check all motherboard voltages in bios
check CPU is seated properly (in fact re-seat everything)
Still seems weird you have a low cine-bench CPU score for your make and model of processor.
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just looked and cinebench 11.5 on your rig should be getting about 3.9 for the cpu score might possibly also suggest a dodgy core go into cinebench click file click advanced benchmark then run the single core benchmark and see what score you get it should be around 1 quarter your original score.
Have you ever used prime 95 before if so you could run it and see if one of the cores is copleting slower than the other which would show a failing or flagging core.
Maybe you should say were your located as there are plenty of helpful peeps on the forum who might be willing to help you
Have you ever used prime 95 before if so you could run it and see if one of the cores is copleting slower than the other which would show a failing or flagging core.
Maybe you should say were your located as there are plenty of helpful peeps on the forum who might be willing to help you
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I tried the single core test and it came up as 0.98pts(3.09pts). I ran a multicore test again and it came up as 3.05.
So the CPU seems fine. Still might be a little lower than average but surely not enough to be causing such drasticly low GPU benchmarks?
I tried the GPU test again on CineBench and got just under 4fps!
Is it possible that a Windows driver is causing the problem? Another thought I had was a resource conflict. Although does this still happen with todays hardware?
I'm starting to get frustrated now. If I can't narrow it down to a single factor then there's not much I can do. My gut feeling is the motherboard is faulty and as a last resort I guess I could send that back and hope OC find something wrong with it too.
My location is High Wycombe by the way.
How do i know the mobo voltages are correct?
I've checked and re-seated the CPU numerous times. Seems fine. I basically started from scratch this morning and completely rebuilt everything.
Is it possible the GPU isn't getting the power/voltage it needs? Can this be modified somehow do you know?
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I am not really worried about your gpu at the moment as your cinebence score was quite a way of the norm. u should get at least 3.9 with a stock 965 if it's not getting that it's telling you something is wrong. I would totally forget the gpu for now and investigate why your cpu seems to be running slow.
try the fritz benchmark,prime 95,occt, basically and cpu bench you can lay hands on and see if all the scores are low compared to other stock 965's
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I would suggest a benchmark, something simply like superpi is fine frankly, check a normal run, 1mb is fine, then open up task manager and change affinity to a single core(right click on the superpi process to do that) and then try it on each individual core to see what happens, if one or two cores are giving awful performance or something.
I haven't read everything, did you definately plug in the 12v cpu plug, normally top left of the mobo, is it possible it has a 8 pin plug often with one 4 pin part with a cover on it, and you've only got the 4pin plug in there? Incase you don't take the cover off and use the 8 pin or 2x4pin on most psu's as it could be not enough cpu power under load or something along those lines.
If not I'd suggest its pointing towards a cpu/mobo problem, if you bought them from the same place hopefully they'd let you send both back and could test them for you.
I haven't read everything, did you definately plug in the 12v cpu plug, normally top left of the mobo, is it possible it has a 8 pin plug often with one 4 pin part with a cover on it, and you've only got the 4pin plug in there? Incase you don't take the cover off and use the 8 pin or 2x4pin on most psu's as it could be not enough cpu power under load or something along those lines.
If not I'd suggest its pointing towards a cpu/mobo problem, if you bought them from the same place hopefully they'd let you send both back and could test them for you.
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just for reference my 3dmark 06 cpu score was 5367
i'll try get you the links to super pi
i'll try get you the links to super pi
Here's mine:
3DMark 06
GPU Score 6916
CPU Score 2365
Most parts of the Canyon Flight GPU test were way up over 100fps but would dip violently down to 1 or even 0 fps in places. Didn't seem to dip on the more demanding parts of the test, it just dips regularly almost like it's pulsing or something.
It's like its trying to perform but keeps getting pulled back, if that makes sense? While watching all these benchmarks the framerates just dip up and down drasticlly.
The only one I've tried that gives half decent results is FurMark. I seem to get pretty good results in that. Plus I noticed while it's running my GPU is around 100% usage, whereas CineBench barely registers, if at all. Almost like the GPU isn't being used to render at all.
3DMark 06
GPU Score 6916
CPU Score 2365
Most parts of the Canyon Flight GPU test were way up over 100fps but would dip violently down to 1 or even 0 fps in places. Didn't seem to dip on the more demanding parts of the test, it just dips regularly almost like it's pulsing or something.
It's like its trying to perform but keeps getting pulled back, if that makes sense? While watching all these benchmarks the framerates just dip up and down drasticlly.
The only one I've tried that gives half decent results is FurMark. I seem to get pretty good results in that. Plus I noticed while it's running my GPU is around 100% usage, whereas CineBench barely registers, if at all. Almost like the GPU isn't being used to render at all.
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it's the whole cpu thing that bothers me most why are you not getting standard 965BE results totally forget about GPU performance take a sit back and think about the cpu issue first as without the brains of the cpu your gpu won't be doing much at all
What i would like you to do it download this http://mersenneforum.org/gimps/p64v2511.zip
unpack the program and run it clickjust stress testing then click small ffts
keep core temp open and watch the program work after so many seconds or minutes it will move onto test 2 all test on all cores should finish within upto 10 seconds of each other do this for 15-20 minutes keeping an eye on the temps and cpu usage on the core temp program if any of the cores drop below 99% while testing that idicates a problem also if the temp on the cpu creeps above 60 then immediately click file then stop test
ideally all cores should run at 99% temp should stay below 60 degrees and all core should finish there test at pretty much the same time if you get to test 4ish and one core is a good 30 seconds-1 minute behind then there might be an underlaying problem with the cpu which could be affecting data transmission to the gpu.
If this test comes back ok then you need to look at PSU and motherboard.
Try do this asap i will be online for a couple more hours yet if you can get any photo's of the inside of your rig it might help if someone can spot something more obvious(not saying that you are no good or anything just sometimes everyone misses something simple)
What i would like you to do it download this http://mersenneforum.org/gimps/p64v2511.zip
unpack the program and run it clickjust stress testing then click small ffts
keep core temp open and watch the program work after so many seconds or minutes it will move onto test 2 all test on all cores should finish within upto 10 seconds of each other do this for 15-20 minutes keeping an eye on the temps and cpu usage on the core temp program if any of the cores drop below 99% while testing that idicates a problem also if the temp on the cpu creeps above 60 then immediately click file then stop test
ideally all cores should run at 99% temp should stay below 60 degrees and all core should finish there test at pretty much the same time if you get to test 4ish and one core is a good 30 seconds-1 minute behind then there might be an underlaying problem with the cpu which could be affecting data transmission to the gpu.
If this test comes back ok then you need to look at PSU and motherboard.
Try do this asap i will be online for a couple more hours yet if you can get any photo's of the inside of your rig it might help if someone can spot something more obvious(not saying that you are no good or anything just sometimes everyone misses something simple)
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just found this in another thread
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ASUS Crosshair IV Formula
hi im considering buying one but am concerned about the northbridge overheating fault that quite a lot of people are reporting, Does anyone know if ASUS have sorted this problem out yet with all there newer models? cheers
this would also cause mega problems with cpu and gpu
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ASUS Crosshair IV Formula
hi im considering buying one but am concerned about the northbridge overheating fault that quite a lot of people are reporting, Does anyone know if ASUS have sorted this problem out yet with all there newer models? cheers
this would also cause mega problems with cpu and gpu
Ok, I've been running the test for 10 mins... I've got 4 Worker Windows open, and I'm guessing these represent each CPU thread/core?
The first three Worker Windows have been finishing tests at pretty much the same time(within a couple seconds), however the last window Worker#4 is stuck on test 1. What does this mean? A dodgy core?
The first three Worker Windows have been finishing tests at pretty much the same time(within a couple seconds), however the last window Worker#4 is stuck on test 1. What does this mean? A dodgy core?