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New Build help £3.5k ish - encoding and gaming

Discussion in 'OcUK Full Systems & Bundles' started by Krazeyivan, Sep 27, 2019.

  1. Krazeyivan

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    Hi everyone

    My current rig has died, it came from overclockers and I think the motherboard (Gigabyte X99-SLI) has given in sadly I dont have enough items to test it but I've done everything shy of changing parts and no post. I'll just sell off the 5820k and other bits that work but I will keep the EVGA 1080ti FTW3 and move that over.

    The requirements for this new rig - Fast, Quiet with two main functions - encoding video (previous rig would do that 24/7 sometimes for weeks at a time) and game play - I have a nice 240fps 1080p monitor that I am happy with. I also do not need keyboard or mouse. I would also need 10G functionality as I move around a lot of data to my NAS.

    I am looking the AMD route at the moment as its looks the most hopeful and there are a lot of CPU security issues with intel right now.
    I also will be getting overclockers to build this system for me as I just don't have much free time anymore I might ring them over the next few days for a chat if thats possible

    Below is a list of parts I was looking at - its not complete by any means and would need some work i.e. fans - any issues or upgrade please let me know.

    CP-3B5-AM - AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Twelve Core 4.6GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail £559.99
    MB-57S-GI - Gigabyte X570 AORUS XTREME (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 Chipset EATX Motherboard £769.99
    MY-095-TG - Team Group Xtreem "8Pack Edition" 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black £329.99
    CM-222-TL - OcUK Tech Labs - Pre Noise Dampened Case - Corsair Obsidian 750D £154.99
    HS-03L-CS - Corsair Hydro Series H150i PRO RGB Performance Liquid Cooler - 360mm (CW-9060031-WW) £169.99
    HD-00A-GI - Aorus 2TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 Solid State Drive (GP-ASM2NE6200TTTD) £469.99
    HD-23S-SA - Samsung 970 PRO Polaris 1TB M.2 2280 PCI-e 3.0 x4 NVMe Solid State Drive £289.99
    CA-062-SS - Seasonic Prime Ultra Titanium 850W 80 Plus Titanium Modular Power Supply £239.99
    HD-37H-SE - Seagate 6TB BarraCuda PRO 7200RPM 256MB Cache Internal Hard Drive (ST6000DM004) £214.99
    SW-173-MS - Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit DVD - OEM (MS-FQC-08929) £149.99

    Total so far - £3349.90

    I like the quality of each of these components, I'm less clear if everything hangs together well - not been on AMD for a long time.

    Thank you for any help
     
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  2. orbitalwalsh

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    @Plec plec plec plec your board^^^^^^

    honestly, get the Master over the Xtreme - still rocking 12 phase with 16 phase controller over other vendors using doublers or parallel (asus) but saves a TON of cash. Only advantage is the 8 Layer PCB ( Aorus ITX also shares 8 layers but of lessor quality) , meaning signal loss is less- which is great for running 4 dimm slots at max speeds at max GB if IMC can handle it.

    ***ah, 10g port- Master only has 2.5G

    avoid the corsair 750D and get Base 900 or P600s for a slight system!

    My basket at Overclockers UK:
    Total: £537.87 (includes shipping: £28.02)
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    ^^Lists for £400 - no heatsink like the copper finned one on the aorus though!!!!
    and Aorus RMA is night and DAY!

    also remove the 1tb Samsung PCIe 3.0 nvme and replace with the Rocket PCIe version for HALF THE PRICE! - thats like extra £ 170 (Plus PSU ) to spend on Ryzen 3950x 16 core in November ;)

    save a bit of cash with PSU but still keeping top tier unit

    https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...lar-power-supply-cp-9020151-uk-ca-24g-cs.html

    you might notice equal frame rates with gaming at 1080p- intel 9700/9900k at 5ghz still holds the crown at 1080 and for esport 240hz monitors - but £££


    ****but if you really cant built it, then its Solid- also got solid rep support via @GIGA-Man on here . Shame their 360 AIO unit isn't out yet​
     
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  3. Krazeyivan

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    Thank you OrbitalWalsh - very interesting read - I will consider those changes you have mentioned
    Still think I am on the AMD boat for now - even with the 9900k advantage gaming its clawed back with encoding on AMD I'd imagine
     
  4. orbitalwalsh

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    Pretty much - just increase in-game res to 1440p personally ! your card is more then up to the task !!!!

    shame the Master doesn't have 10G port, but both it and Xtreme smash the other vendors - also only one to RMA in UK ;)

    if getting it built, but the xtreme Rocket PCIe 3.0 version or 1TB PCIe 4.0 version for £200 to run next to the Aorus 2TB PCIe 4.0 lol Xtreme heatsink is man/woman enough to the task

    worth doing research into CPU vs GPU Encoding

    https://savedelete.com/gaming/nvenc-vs-x264/203281/

    most of the time for gaming is GPU
     
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  5. Krazeyivan

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    Do you have a link to the Rocket PCIe version you mention?
    I have done some extensive work (admittedly only using my experience) but GPU is still not comparable to CPU for quality encodes. For streaming or sending to youtube I think GPU is fine and certainly of good quality. If you have high bitrate quality files GPU encodes look washed out to me - CPU wins all day long.
     
  6. lee32uk

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    The MSI Prestige X570 Creation board has 10G LAN. Costs a lot less than the Gigabyte Xtreme. Still has a solid VRM.

    https://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/msi_prestige_x570_creation_review,1.html


    Cheaper 32GB set of Ram.


    I would go with an air cooler, especially as you are doing a lot of workstation related tasks. The Noctua D15 is a very good quiet cooler. There are Chromax kits you can get if you don't like the aesthetics. Other option would be a BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4. Less points of failure than an AIO.

    A 750W psu is easily enough. The Corsair HXi is a nice unit and you can run it in multi rail mode.

    As for the Sabrent SSD just google 'Sabrent Rocket NVMe pcie 4.0' or go onto their website.


    My basket at Overclockers UK:
    Total: £848.02 (includes shipping: £11.10) ​
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
  7. Krazeyivan

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    Thanks for the help - My final order into Overclockers

    AMD Ryzen 9 3900X Twelve Core 4.6GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail
    Gigabyte X570 AORUS XTREME (AMD AM4) DDR4 X570 Chipset EATX Motherboard
    Team Group Xtreem "8Pack Edition" 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C16 3600MHz Quad Channel Kit - Black
    Aorus 2TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 Solid State Drive (GP-ASM2NE6200TTTD)
    Samsung 2TB 860 EVO SSD 2.5" SATA 6Gbps 64 Layer 3D V-NAND Solid State Drive (MZ-76E2T0B/EU)
    Seagate 6TB BarraCuda PRO 7200RPM 256MB Cache Internal Hard Drive (ST6000DM004)
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit DVD - OEM (MS-FQC-08929)
    Corsair AX850 Titanium 80 Plus Titanium Modular Power Supply (CP-9020151-UK)
    Fractal Design Define R6 Blackout Type-C Midi Tower Case - Black Tempered Glass
    Corsair Hydro Series H150i PRO RGB Performance Liquid Cooler - 360mm (CW-9060031-WW)
    3 x be quiet! Silent Wings 3 120mm PWM Fan
     
  8. orbitalwalsh

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    POWER!!!

    would of just gone the Pro 900 as it already has 3x 140mm silent wing fans and its quieter plus aluminum vs steel
     
  9. Krazeyivan

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    The reason for my choice was purely filtration. This machine will run on a dusty environment, so I put a lot of weight into a case with quality filters
     
  10. tomcoleman

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    check my build might give you some ideas
     
  11. orbitalwalsh

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    all case filters are S**T!!!! every brand no matter how expensive the case ! had lian Li Dynamic myself and spend £70 importing filters for it that did a better job along with airflow

    [​IMG]

    ^^ shame they only do R5 currently but worth asking !
     
  12. tomcoleman

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    one thing to note

    HD-00A-GI - Aorus 2TB NVMe PCIe Gen4 M.2 Solid State Drive (GP-ASM2NE6200TTTD) £469.99

    PCI gen 4 SSD/m2 are not widley supported yet in the BIOS - allot of people having issues with it seeing the drives, full speeds etc so bare that in mind.

    SW-173-MS - Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit DVD - OEM (MS-FQC-08929) £149.99

    Ebay, CDkeys etc much cheaper.
     
  13. orbitalwalsh

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    New 1.0.0.4 bios rolling out soon. Problem is all PCIe 4.0 controllers aren't able to run max speeds yet, come in Q2 :(

    Also, for full speeds, running tests with empty drivers aren't the best