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Razor-BladE

Razor-BladE

Razor-BladE

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Hi,

I have a mate who's looking to build an i7 8th gen PC for running data simulations.
The application he uses doesn't use more than 4 cores at the moment, but wants the i7 for future proofing.

He wants to build it for as cheap as possible (<£700), and already has an SSD and OS.

I was thinking this:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £586.61 (includes shipping: £11.70)
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Does this look ok? Anything that you would change?
And I'm not sure which motherboard would be best for this?

Many thanks.
 
Razor-BladE said:
Hi,

I have a mate who's looking to build an i7 8th gen PC for running data simulations.
The application he uses doesn't use more than 4 cores at the moment, but wants the i7 for future proofing.

He wants to build it for as cheap as possible (<£700), and already has an SSD and OS.

I was thinking this:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £586.61 (includes shipping: £11.70)
​

Does this look ok? Anything that you would change?
And I'm not sure which motherboard would be best for this?

Many thanks.
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when you say data simulation, what program ?

intel- ignore the flashy style of the board, VRM and good heatsink along with UK rma being the key

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £737.09 (includes shipping: £13.20)​
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ryzen based

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £692.14 (includes shipping: £13.20)​
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although i have a feeling its about core speed to process the data... in which intel would win. if your able to get software details should be able to see other areas like if nvme drive would help were data is stored and processed into information back on the drive and then can be moved to HDD etc
 
I'll found out which application he uses. I did point him to Ryzen, but he seemed to be set on going Intel because of the higher core speed.

Any reason for the Bitfenix PSU over Super Flower? It's been a while since I've put anything together but I thought Super Flower was the go to brand, and for just £5 more?

And is there that much difference getting that motherboard over one of the cheaper H310, or even B360 motherboards at around £60?
 
Razor-BladE said:
I'll found out which application he uses. I did point him to Ryzen, but he seemed to be set on going Intel because of the higher core speed.

Any reason for the Bitfenix PSU over Super Flower? It's been a while since I've put anything together but I thought Super Flower was the go to brand, and for just £5 more?

also, without a GPU, you dont need a lot of wattage- actually makes it less efficient

And is there that much difference getting that motherboard over one of the cheaper H310, or even B360 motherboards at around £60?
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better components inside. superflower is a good brand and OEM and found that unit to be fine- though used 650w which had better caps installed .

mainly went for it due to VRMs and its heatsink over the unit- but then again software may not tax the CPU that much.. coffeelake does tend to work boards hard , specially for heavy CPU bound tasks

wifi on the unit also lifts up costs :(

cheaper boards

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...cket-1151-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-56j-gi.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asro...cket-1151-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-160-ak.html
 
Ok thanks. I've not seen any reviews of Bitfenix, so was just being cautious! I've used a few of their cases, and really good quality for cheap so if it's anything like them then great!

Still no reply to the software yet, I'll update when he gets back to me.
 
That Asrock one looks nice! Less stress on the motherboard going ATX over M-ATX?

He's replied saying 'it's actually pen testing tools to try and break into vms running on Windows server platforms... running multiple vms on vmware. Nessus, Hydra and John the Ripper'.
 
Razor-BladE said:
That Asrock one looks nice! Less stress on the motherboard going ATX over M-ATX?

He's replied saying 'it's actually pen testing tools to try and break into vms running on Windows server platforms... running multiple vms on vmware. Nessus, Hydra and John the Ripper'.
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wow some heavy reading - just going through each one .

matx vs atx is just sizing mostly, but sometimes vrm count or quality is lower

GPU support

http://openwall.info/wiki/john/GPU

John the Ripper with Ryzen 8 core/16 thread cpus

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-ryzen-1700&num=3

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https://openbenchmarking.org/showdown/pts/john-the-ripper

has 8700k stock vs stock 1800x ^^^^ thread ripper x399 would top both


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for nessus

https://docs.tenable.com/generalrequirements/Content/SecurityCenterHardwareRequirements.htm
 
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Legend.

That's really helpful information, thanks for looking into that for me!

So generally Ryzen 7 1800X is probably going to be the better against the i7 8700k, plus it's £50 cheaper.

How about the Ryzen 7 2700X? Will that be worth the extra £40? 0.35Ghz faster plus a slightly better architecture?
 
The 2700x can run 0.4 to 0.2gjz faster with all cores or a few . And then there's the ability to use high Hz ram which also increases performance

Also ryzen X unit auto overclocks its self and isn't as hot as Intel ! With 8700k you'll want to overclock to make it the best and need good cooling ! 360 AIO
 
Yeah, he won't be doing any manual overclocking, so AMD it is!

This revised setup good then? Are the lower timings on the RAM worth the extra £30?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £702.05 (includes shipping: £11.10)​
​
 
Razor-BladE said:
Yeah, he won't be doing any manual overclocking, so AMD it is!

This revised setup good then? Are the lower timings on the RAM worth the extra £30?

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £702.05 (includes shipping: £11.10)
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Gaming 3 is a solid board but if your rocking a flagship chip and ram you should push x470 board . If £700 is the limit you can dive down to standard cheaper Team Group Ram and let the 2700x and a x470 do it's thing .
Of cost is the aim of the game then the first gen 1700 on the b350 with 3000hz ram .


My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £711.05 (includes shipping: £11.10)
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My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £631.05 (includes shipping: £11.10)
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Ah ok. He's looking to buy in a couple of days though so will need something in stock! Will the X370 be any better than B350?
I think he can go to about £750, if persuaded.
 
Razor-BladE said:
Ah ok. He's looking to buy in a couple of days though so will need something in stock! Will the X370 be any better than B350?
I think he can go to about £750, if persuaded.
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not to much, B350 able to achieve same CPU overclock as X370 . lacks SLi and some X370 can handle ram up to 3466hz

heavily discounted but can see they are more then x470

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ocket-am4-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-554-gi.html

annoying as x470 on pre-order here but one or two others have in in stock but very low numbers for about the same price

would personally stick with x470/2700x as if he uses programs which don't use all cores, the unit can boost up to 4.3ghz on one or two cores which can be handy depending on the program

2700x can be used on x370 boards, but if the board comes with an older bios version, will have to get a boot kit from AMD or send board to Gigabyte UK for flashing , other board vendors dont offer this which is a shame
 
Suggest getting a Nas/enterprise hard drive if data is going to be business/work critical.
And.
1) back up
2) back up
3) back up
 
I'll have a look around to see if I can get a X470 board elsewhere then, and get everything else from OcUK.

And yes I was thinking that about the HDD, I'll ask him about it and change if needed.

Thanks for the help!
 
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