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Hi,

Yet another 'New build' post.... sorry....!

I'm looking at upgrading my desktop which I built in about 2005. I have since only bought laptops and Macs, so not only is the PC completely out of date, so too is my knowledge on what's out there now.

My budget is fairly tight, so I’m looking to limit what I initially upgrade and spreading the cost over time. So, I’m looking at upgrading the Motherboard, CPU and RAM.

- The hard disks, whilst not solid state, are SATA and will be fine - I can replace with quicker disks later. Also the DVDRW is SATA, no need to replace.

- The case is a fairly decent, albeit standard, ATX case, so that’s fine.

- The PSU was a decent one at the time, I can’t remember the model, but it was quite expensive and should not need to be replaced

- The graphics card is a not too fancy Sapphire Radeon HD3450 1GB PCI-Express bought a few years ago as a quick fix when the old one died, if this can be used for now, great. If not either something in budget or a motherboard with onboard graphics for now would suffice. VGA is a must - I don’t want to replace my monitor just yet, though it is on the list for the next round. HDMI is desirable.

The PC will be used mainly just for generic things such as Office / etc. It’s also used for Photoshop, Visual Studio and occasionally (every couple of months) video editing. I don’t do any gaming.

With that in mind, I know I don’t need a cutting edge system. On the other hand, I don’t want to be waiting around for weeks when I do need to do the occasional resource intensive task.

I’m open to both AMD / Intel. I used to have a preference for AMD about 10 years ago, but obviously times change so I’m ignoring any preference I might have once had. I know Intel CPUs generally get better reviews for performance, with AMD rating higher for value - more performance for the money.

RAM wise, I’m looking at 8GB. No preference on brand.

As I don’t want to spend too much initially, I want to avoid replacing my monitor just yet (VGA) and also avoid buying a new graphics card initially. So either using the current graphics card (Sapphire Radeon HD3450 1GB PCI-Express) or a motherboard with onboard graphics with VGA / HDMI connections would be ideal.

I always used to like Asus boards, but again, that was almost 10 years ago - open to ideas now!

I’ve had a look at a few review sites and put a couple of ideas down, but so much has changed I have no idea what I’m really looking for now. I’d like it to be as upgradable as possible, without spending too much initially. Most reviews seem to be geared towards gaming machines unfortunately.

I’ve probably waffled, but I’ve tried to give as much info as possible as to what I want, and what for.

I’d appreciate any suggestions or any ‘avoid this’ advice.

Looking at about £200 - £250. That may have to be reviewed depending on the advice! :)

Thanks in advance!
 
This budget seems to shout "Trinity" to me.

No gaming desired, but this processor has an iGPU so if you were to change your mind, it would be there.

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD A10-5800K Black Edition 3.80GHz (Socket FM2) APU Trinity Quad Core Processor (AD580KWOHJBOX) £99.95
1 x Gigabyte F2A85X-D3H AMD A85X Chipset (Socket FM2) DDR3 ATX Motherboard £64.99
1 x Patriot Viper "Black Mamba" Generation 3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-15000C9 1866MHz Dual Channel Kit (PV38G186C9K) £41.99
Total : £217.73 (includes shipping : £9.00).




M/B has on-board HDMI and VGA so take your pick.
Nice Quad-core processor to deal with the day to day tasks, PS and Visual Studio. Unlocked multiplier, so can also be overclocked if needed.
Faster RAM to support your iGPU and to just general make everything faster (although a small increase)
Good warranty with Gigabyte.

Overall, a cheap upgrade within budget and small change to keep in the back pocket.
 
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Hi,

Thanks for your very quick response!

Is the FM2 socket AMD's budget socket - as 754 was to 939 (Sempron and Athlon64)? If that's the case, would I not be better aiming for AM3+?

I'm just thinking about future improvements, but as I say I have no idea about the CPUs these days!

Also, are Gigabyte boards ok in terms of reliability - I've never had one of their boards.

Thanks again!
 
Hi,

Thanks for your very quick response!

Is the FM2 socket AMD's budget socket - as 754 was to 939 (Sempron and Athlon64)? If that's the case, would I not be better aiming for AM3+?

I'm just thinking about future improvements, but as I say I have no idea about the CPUs these days!

Also, are Gigabyte boards ok in terms of reliability - I've never had one of their boards.

Thanks again!

You're welcome!

The FM2 socket isn't the budget socket, it just supports the new trinity design CPU released September last year.

You could go for an AM3+ setup but you would lose the extra power provided by the iGPU. I would advise the piledriver set of processors.

Never had any problems with gigabyte ;)

a possible AM3+ would look like this:

YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD Piledriver FX-4 Quad Core 4300 3.80GHz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail £89.99
1 x MSI HD 7750 2048MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card £71.99
1 x Gigabyte 970A-DS3 AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 Motherboard £56.99
1 x Adata XPG Gaming v1.0 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit (AX3U1600GC4G9-2G) £35.99
Total : £266.35 (includes shipping : £9.50).




It costs a bit more and would need a graphics card as most of the M/B's don't have on-board graphics.
The graphics card I included in the spec above is pretty mid-range.
 
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Hi,

Is there much to be gained from an iGPU in my set up?

If I went down the AM3+ route, would my existing Sapphire Radeon HD3450 card work (I know it won't be great, but would remove the £70 cost initially...)

Given the choice, would you chose FM2 or AM3+? Apologies for my ignorance on the CPUs :)

My aim is to put solid foundations in place in the short term, with the view of having a decent system in the long term. If that makes sense...

Thanks,
 
YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £179.99
1 x **B Grade** Gigabyte Z68A-D3H-GEN3 Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 (MB-380-GI) £52.00
1 x Adata XPG Gaming v1.0 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit (AX3U1600GC4G9-2G) £35.99
Total : £279.37 (includes shipping : £9.50).



Little over budget but that's what I would consider. The mobo is B grade but offers sataIII, USB3 and overclocking. A new Z77 mobo will be around £80, the mobo I have chosen can be upgraded to a UEFI BIOS.

If you ever feel you need more grunt you can add a good value heatsink (£25-35) and overclock the CPU for more power.
 
YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £179.99
1 x **B Grade** Gigabyte Z68A-D3H-GEN3 Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 (MB-380-GI) £52.00
1 x Adata XPG Gaming v1.0 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit (AX3U1600GC4G9-2G) £35.99
Total : £279.37 (includes shipping : £9.50).



Little over budget but that's what I would consider. The mobo is B grade but offers sataIII, USB3 and overclocking. A new Z77 mobo will be around £80, the mobo I have chosen can be upgraded to a UEFI BIOS.

If you ever feel you need more grunt you can add a good value heatsink (£25-35) and overclock the CPU for more power.

Thanks :)

I did initially look at Intel - in fact I think it was that CPU...

Part of me wants to go for Intel, mainly just because everything you read tells you Intel performs better. But I don't think in my situation I would notice the difference, especially for the price.

I want a £4k spec for the price of a beer that uses less power than an LED light. Unfortunately I'm not going to get that! :)

I suppose my main aim is to get a half decent system whilst future proofing it for future upgrades...
 
As unrealistic as you think your needs sound it very fairly achievable, as above truth is your best option. The 5800k is a 4300 with a great IGPU, win win.

Trinitys successor is not far off and will offer a little performance upgrade (due to the cores being set higher and the igpu pre-over locked) aswell as less energy use. Its not been confirmed yet but it should reside on the fm2 socket aswell.

For a cheap rig you can't beat trinity.
 
The intel CPUs use less power than AMD for a start.

The FM2 socket is "limited" for upgrade potential. We tend to spec trinity mainly for really low budget gaming rigs when a dedicated GPU can't be fitted in the budget. AM3+ isn't really worth considering certainly as a platform to upgrade on.

You would be better off with the intel i3 to be honest as a minimum. I used the i5K as even at stock will help for the video encoding. Yes it would be nice to have the i7s hyperthreading but that's even more cash and I was trying to keep close to your £250 budget.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-3330 3.00GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £149.99
1 x Gigabyte B75M-D3H Intel B75 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Micro ATX Motherboard £64.99
1 x Adata XPG Gaming v1.0 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit (AX3U1600GC4G9-2G) £35.99
Total : £262.37 (includes shipping : £9.50).



That CPU can't be overclocked really and the mobo isn't for overclocking either. Keep in mind the K CPUs have a better IGP too. Maybe you can see now why I went with the B grade Z68 and the i5K?
 
AM3+ isn't really worth considering certainly as a platform to upgrade on.

Why is this? Is it becoming EOL? Or just because it's AMD?

Maybe you can see now why I went with the B grade Z68 and the i5K?

Yeah and for only £20 difference it would make sense.

I only left Intel alone because of the budget.

An AMD whether it be FM2 or AM3+, will handle all the tasks he wants with a nice price tag.

I think this is the key thing. I could stretch the budget easily enough, but the main question is, do I need to.

I could spend a grand on a system, but it would be overkill and I couldn't justify it.

It's not a gaming rig, so it's doesn't need to be high end 'enthusiast' level. That being said, I don't want it to be a budget system that runs a bit sluggish when doing something more resource intensive - especially when I've got say Visual Studio, Photoshop, a test VM running, several browser windows and try to respond to an email referring to a spreadsheet that I've got open. I don't like seeing the egg timer (or spinning wheel nowadays).

It may be that I start to move some of the roles of my MacBook Pro to the desktop if it were to perform well or if I decide to give it a boost at a later date in order to do so - so I obviously don't want it limited to what I buy now and have to go through the same process in 6 months time...

It's proving difficult to find a happy medium, though I'm trying to be good and trying to make the right decision - I'm usually just impulsive, see something 'yeah that looks good' and buy it. :)
 
YOUR BASKET
1 x AMD Piledriver FX-4 Quad Core 4300 3.80GHz (Socket AM3+) Processor - Retail £89.99
1 x MSI HD 7750 2048MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card £71.99
1 x Gigabyte 970A-DS3 AMD 970A (Socket AM3+) DDR3 Motherboard £56.99
1 x Adata XPG Gaming v1.0 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit (AX3U1600GC4G9-2G) £35.99
Total : £266.35 (includes shipping : £9.50).

It costs a bit more and would need a graphics card as most of the M/B's don't have on-board graphics.
The graphics card I included in the spec above is pretty mid-range.

Would my existing Sapphire Radeon HD3450 card work with this set up as a short term stop gap?


I could consider a cheap Intel CPU like this now then switch to an i5 later... though that does add a hugh cost to the overall CPU cost - with possibly little chance of recovering much from the cheaper CPU...
 
Technically it would work, but I couldn't state whether it would work well.

It all comes down to budget. If you have £200 to spend on these components grab a trinity and you're golden.

If you can stretch slightly higher, grab an i3 or FX processor with a mid graphics card for around £350.

If you can push £500 + and its justified, may as well go with i5 3570k with a 7850 GFX or higher.

In the end, its completely up to you my friend.

** The AM3+ solution I posted above would manage everything spot on, but for an extra £60 its up to you. **

** Intel mid-range.

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £179.99
1 x Sapphire HD 7850 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with Tomb Raider & Bioshock PC Games £137.99
1 x Gigabyte Z77-DS3H Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £76.99
1 x Patriot Intel Extreme Masters 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (PVI38G160C9K) £38.39
Total : £444.76 (includes shipping : £9.50).

 
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IncognitoX, why do you keep adding gaming GPUs? There isn't even RAM in the basket

Trinity is a good home PC for general tasks and light gaming. As the OP has said video editing the trinity APU is less appealing. I'm not an intel fan boy, AMDs niche in the market is Trinity. I do recommend it for budget laptops and home machines quite happily.

If he is doing video editing regularly then ideally the i5 would be nice. Doesn't sound like the budget is that tight, he just wants to be sensible. Getting the i5K means you have a better IGP, this is used for quicksync which helps speed up video encoding (software support req). On a Z68/77 mobo the i5K can achieve ~1Ghz overclock with a good value cooler.......that is not to be sniffed at.

Intel is better. Watch (owner of OC3D) Tiny Tom Logans review of the AMD 8350. That will cover everything...... he does epic length videos ;)

Haswell is intels new socket and will release around june we think. It will offer lower power consumption, an even better IGP (to counter trinity) and should be a little faster clock for clock than ivy. All great to new buyers but not worth upgrading to if you already had an 1155 i5K setup
 
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