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andy85wsm

andy85wsm

andy85wsm

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Hello!

For some context - I've had the same computer for over 6 years now aside from one GPU ugprade:

i7 3750
8gb RAM
GTX 680 (upgraded to 2nd hand 970)
128gb SSD

I'm looking at a potential upgrade to something completely new. I currently use it for photoshop, Sony Vegas video editing and for streaming through xsplit. My streams are just myself and a webcam as well as an image, no game streaming although that might change in the future.

It's about time I built a new PC and would love to be able to render videos quicker as well as stream games in the future and play the latest games at least on 1080. Not sure I'm ready to spend on 4k just yet but I'm thinking about a new monitor too as my 27" Samsung is also 6 years old.

Reckon I'm prepared to spend up to about £1500 on the base unit alone (don't need mouse and keyboard etc). I've always had Intel + Nvidia too.

One of the things I've been reading about is the reveal of the new GPUs from Nvidia. Is it worth waiting for them, or should I be looking out for a bargain on the older tech, 1080 etc?

Thanks for any help!
 
spudbynight said:
Well the reveal is in like 48 hours so no point in not waiting.
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Yeah in hindsight that's obvious.

I guess what I meant (and maybe it's still just a wait 48 hours) - will the 1070 and 1080s come down initially or will it take time? Will they still serve me well for lots of years to come?

Very happy that current one has lasted so long.

Also will OCUK put it together if I pick a bunch of parts?
 
New gfx in 48hrs.

Intel 9 series announced and likely released October.

Depending on how much you want to allocate to your monitor it might be worth waiting. If you have 1100+ for the machine alone then defo wait til October I would say. As you might be able to afford the 9 series.

Or just buy once gfx from Nvidia has realigned all the prices and get what you can afford.

It's just all so hard ... Still first world problem right?

Off topic, I learned of the Turing trust the other day. Internet literally in a server in a shipping container (for a class room). Just so kids in remote parts of africa have access to information.
 
andy85wsm said:
Yeah in hindsight that's obvious.

I guess what I meant (and maybe it's still just a wait 48 hours) - will the 1070 and 1080s come down initially or will it take time? Will they still serve me well for lots of years to come?

Very happy that current one has lasted so long.

Also will OCUK put it together if I pick a bunch of parts?
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Either of those cards will serve you very well for 5 years at 1440.

So getting one instead of new model to keep your budget makes sense. But still wait 48hrs. They might not move at all. Nasty Nvidia will likely introduce a new price point. Investors liked the crypto boom and will expect more money!
 
I would wait and at least see what the lay of the land will be. Its only a couple of days away, and is what I am doing. I dont think that the used prices will change that much over the next few days as there will likely be a lead time for the newer cards reaching people from suppliers after the announce, and others will wait for benchmark results to filter through before making a decision.

So waiting will not change much of your budget right now if you know what I mean.
 
Here is my suggestion:

************ part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor (£199.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£34.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard (£134.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Team - Dark Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£239.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Western Digital - Black NVMe 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£154.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£89.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Video Card: Inno3D - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Video Card (£469.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£72.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£104.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £1502.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by ************ 2018-08-19 01:37 BST+0100

Note to MODs, all are OcUK parts in the link.
 
ilc72 said:
Here is my suggestion:

************ part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6GHz 8-Core Processor (£199.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£34.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard (£134.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Team - Dark Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£239.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Western Digital - Black NVMe 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£154.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£89.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Video Card: Inno3D - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Video Card (£469.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£72.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£104.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £1502.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by ************ 2018-08-19 01:37 BST+0100

Note to MODs, all are OcUK parts in the link.
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My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £679.46 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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orbitalwalsh said:
My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £679.46 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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The Ryzen bundles are good don’t get me wrong, but it depends on the budget. This is the one I would go for but in doing so makes hitting the £1,500 price point impossible. The Ryzen 2700 is as good as the Ryzen 2700X as they are unlocked and this along with the Crosshair VII motherboard are the two best X470 boards.

I’d far rather have an X470 motherboard than an X370 for a couple of reasons, firstly they have better memory support and can push Ryzen with the 8-Pack Kit to 3600Mhz with a half decent chip. Ryzen performance is very memory sensitive and up to 3200Mhz will give noticeable gains. Finally this combination below gives the best combination of performance and future proofing as it will be much easier to drop in a 7nm Ryzen 2 (3rd Gen) and extract the best performance, also includes an AIO as well. Finally I’m not sure if the X370 boards include a front panel USB-C 3.1 Gen 2 front panel header.

In terms of pure price performance the 1800X is the best value proposition as it only marginally slower than a 2700X.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £870.49 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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At the end of the day the 1800X remains a formidable processor and I think an X470 board is a better option than an X370. Includes StoreMI which when used properly can really help content creators and gamers. in this case I would split the 500GB NVME and use a 250GB boot drive and the other 250GB in combination with the 2TB mechanical HDD and StoreMI to get a high performance data drive.

With the prices of RAM and GPUs so high it makes system building a difficult process involving a lot of trade offs.
 
Thanks for all the ideas so far!

Are the AMDs as good as intel? Always been an intel fan just because I've always used them and they've never caused me any issues.

What is the priority for streaming - CPU, RAM or GPU? Or all of the above?
 
@ilc72 have both 2700 and 2700x. 2700 chip is useless, takes 1.44v just to hold 4.1ghz were as 2700x can do 4.2ghz with a lot less volts or lucky enough to load two cores at 4.4ghz .
Ram support is also better I've found with X chips but not always the case , Aorus 7 x470 gets 3600hz with 2700 and 2700hz with X chip .
Also you'll see a lot of X470 haven't reached speeds that flagship X370 have due to bios being more mature etc . Even 8 pack himself stated this before hand .
That taichi bundle is attractive but you can see having to add AIO for cooling when normal 2700x cooler can handle that just fine , along with having to add a SSD on top of costs when bundle comes with on .
Nvme Vs SSD with storeMi , not real difference , optane fairs a little better and is the best combo .
Then again, I got board and tried nvme and SSD combo haha

andy85wsm said:
Thanks for all the ideas so far!

Are the AMDs as good as intel? Always been an intel fan just because I've always used them and they've never caused me any issues.

What is the priority for streaming - CPU, RAM or GPU? Or all of the above?
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Depends on what your target is, faster FPS rates for yourself or the viewer.
Always get yourself the best GPU you can but then more cores the better the stream will be for reviewers.
Intel will give yourself the highest FPS count were as AMD would give your user the highest available FPS when reviewing
 
orbitalwalsh said:
@ilc72 have both 2700 and 2700x. 2700 chip is useless, takes 1.44v just to hold 4.1ghz were as 2700x can do 4.2ghz with a lot less volts or lucky enough to load two cores at 4.4ghz .
Ram support is also better I've found with X chips but not always the case , Aorus 7 x470 gets 3600hz with 2700 and 2700hz with X chip .
Also you'll see a lot of X470 haven't reached speeds that flagship X370 have due to bios being more mature etc . Even 8 pack himself stated this before hand .
That taichi bundle is attractive but you can see having to add AIO for cooling when normal 2700x cooler can handle that just fine , along with having to add a SSD on top of costs when bundle comes with on .
Nvme Vs SSD with storeMi , not real difference , optane fairs a little better and is the best combo .
Then again, I got board and tried nvme and SSD combo haha
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Optane fairs a little better?

Watched the latest video on Linus Tech Tips on Store MI and they found Optane not to play nice, actually ended up recommending a different program altogether.

https://youtu.be/rWXBo0bb_dU

I think the motherboard situation is pretty much the same nowadays, hitting 3600MHz+ is more a function of the silicon lottery due to the IMC more than anything else!

See the following link on memory:

https://youtu.be/vZgpHTaQ10k

It’s as good a tuning guide as you’ll ever find, direct from inside the red team HQ.
 
andy85wsm said:
Thanks for all the ideas so far!

Are the AMDs as good as intel? Always been an intel fan just because I've always used them and they've never caused me any issues.

What is the priority for streaming - CPU, RAM or GPU? Or all of the above?
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If streaming whilst gaming then go AMD with a minimum of 16GB RAM with the best CPU/GPU you can afford.
 
Linus is useless , never liked him much, one Vs many others .

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...-nvme-3.0-x4-solid-state-drive-hd-08k-in.html

Proper optane , 4k writes and IOPs hammer nvme drives and work well with HDD .. but overkill unless your a handling a lot of data :)

Everyone uses Ryzen Ram Calculator to correctly get your ram done or working . Damn good program and all vendors should pretty much roll this out via software or bios . That or ram vendors start taking ryzen more seriously :)
 
andy85wsm said:
Are the AMDs as good as intel? Always been an intel fan just because I've always used them and they've never caused me any issues.
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Intel's clock hasn't said proper tick or tock in years and except for return of AMD year ago advance in CPUs has been poor:

"4th generation" Haswell was small improvement to your Ivy Bridge.
5th gen small improvement Broadwell didn't come to desktop with 14nm manufacturing delays.
Becoming 6th gen Skylake on desktop.
7th gen Kaby Lake was just tweaked and repolished Skylake with more clocks.
8th gen Coffee Lake is Kaby Lake with core count update, because Ryzen suprised Intel with pants down.
"9th gen" CPUs will be just same Skylake continuation with core count increases...
And it's not known if we consumers get even any hardware level fixes to vulnerabilities in Intel's speculative code execution.


While Intel's originally advertised for 2015 10nm node and actually improved architecture CPUs are now best hoped for late next year.
Certainly being incompatible with even the most expensive motherboards Intell will sell for "9th" gen...
Intel must be ****** off for losing ability to milk consumers with more and more high end priced quad cores with toothpaste under heatspreader.

Again with Zen2 half year from now being actual architecture improvement and ahead of Intel manufacturing node from GloFo/TSMC, AMD might well take performance lead in most areas.
While all current AM4 socket motherboards will be accepting Zen2 and its later tweak Zen2+ with just BIOS update.

Don't know about you, but for me it's rather clear which company is pushing tech forward and more consumer friendly.
 
andy85wsm said:
Thanks!

And is it the same for vegas rendering times? I'm assuming at £1500 it will be fairly quick anyway!
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Depends on the rendering platform, as a general rule AMD does very well in benchmarks for rendering. The first generation AMD Ryzen/Threadripper took a while for applications to be optimised for the higher core count CPUs.
 
New cards out then...

Looking expensive. I should be good for going with a 1070 / 1080 right? They should still last a while.

Can they run better resolutions than 1080? Not really sure I'm too bothered by 4k but if there's something in between that would be good
 
andy85wsm said:
New cards out then...

Looking expensive. I should be good for going with a 1070 / 1080 right? They should still last a while.

Can they run better resolutions than 1080? Not really sure I'm too bothered by 4k but if there's something in between that would be good
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A GTX 1070/70 ti/80 are good for 1440p gaming. Or Vega 56/64 if you want an AMD equivalent. The Freesync monitors are usually cheaper than G-Sync versions so a Vega gpu and Freesync is usually the wallet friendly option.
 
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